A Joe in the Bush Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 24 minutes ago, Seonid said: Alright - after shoveling snow for what feels like the whole day, I'm back. I've given this a lot of thought, and my decision is to vote for Sart Conquestor was my Captain, and he chose me to PM last night. He told me that Kipper was his commander - who had also chosen him to PM, and that Lopen was Restares. My entire line of communication is shot. My faction is down 3 important roles. I'm sorry, Lopen was Restares? Can you confirm this? I was told that Kipper was Restares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seonid he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, A Joe in the Bush said: I'm sorry, Lopen was Restares? Can you confirm this? I was told that Kipper was Restares. I can only say what I was told by Conquestor. I wouldn't put it past him to have swapped the roles when he told me. It would make sure I knew who to protect while misleading me if I were evil or misdirecting any PM snoopers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Hmm. Well, thank you seonid. Are there any other Sons of Honour who are will to vote for Sart? Are there any other Ghostbloods who are willing to support a Bondsmith Victory? If so, vote for Sart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 To all Son's of Honor, you do realize that the Diagrammists have to die too for you to win, right? Because an alliance with the Elims is gonna have to be betrayed at some point, and you aren't the ones with a faction kill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seonid he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said: Hmm. Well, thank you seonid. Are there any other Sons of Honour who are will to vote for Sart? Are there any other Ghostbloods who are willing to support a Bondsmith Victory? If so, vote for Sart. Also - who told you that Kipper was Restares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 And as a side note, my opinion about a Bondsmith victory is unchanged. I'm fine with both factions winning, as in the end that means the majority of the players are happy. But we can't just ignore the Diagrammists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droughtbringer Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Sart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seonid he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Assassin in Burgundy said: To all Son's of Honor, you do realize that the Diagrammists have to die too for you to win, right? Because an alliance with the Elims is gonna have to be betrayed at some point, and you aren't the ones with a faction kill. To Assassin in Burgundy - when the choice is lay down and let the Ghostbloods win (which is what happens if we kill the Diagrammists now) or make an alliance with the Diagrammists which both of us know will eventually be betrayed if we can't make the Bondsmith thing work out. At the moment, we still can win the lynch. If the Bondsmith is killed, or if the win con becomes impractical, then we'll join up with the Ghostbloods to kill Diagrammists. Make no mistake, we'll be playing the two of you off of each other to try and win. But I'm aiming at the Bondsmith win con, because I really don't like betraying alliances. But honestly, I'd rather lose because I misjudged when to break alliance with the Diagrammists then lie down and let the Ghostbloods win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 20 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said: Hmm. Well, thank you seonid. Are there any other Sons of Honour who are will to vote for Sart? Are there any other Ghostbloods who are willing to support a Bondsmith Victory? If so, vote for Sart. To get a Bondsmith victory, we have to kill you. Just throwing that out there to everyone who's considering this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seonid he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Assassin in Burgundy said: To get a Bondsmith victory, we have to kill you. Just throwing that out there to everyone who's considering this. We don't, actually. Why do you think we do? We just have to have equal numbers. At the moment, if indications are accurate, there are 8 Ghostbloods, 5 Sons of Honor, and 4 Diagrammists. The earliest we could win via Bondsmith is at 4 Ghostbloods, 4 Sons of Honor, and 4 Diagrammists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Seonid said: To Assassin in Burgundy - when the choice is lay down and let the Ghostbloods win (which is what happens if we kill the Diagrammists now) or make an alliance with the Diagrammists which both of us know will eventually be betrayed if we can't make the Bondsmith thing work out. At the moment, we still can win the lynch. If the Bondsmith is killed, or if the win con becomes impractical, then we'll join up with the Ghostbloods to kill Diagrammists. Make no mistake, we'll be playing the two of you off of each other to try and win. But I'm aiming at the Bondsmith win con, because I really don't like betraying alliances. But honestly, I'd rather lose because I misjudged when to break alliance with the Diagrammists then lie down and let the Ghostbloods win. I'm not saying stay out of our way. I'm saying let's kill the Diagrammists and try and protect the Bondsmith. In any win con for the villagers, the Diagrammists have to die. Period. We can join forces and kill the Diagrammists but keep the Bondsmith alive, or you can join the Diagrammists, kill us, and then be killed by the Diagrammists. Statistically, if you join us, you have two ways of winning. We can get a Bondsmith win, or you can stop being attacked due to the alliance and make a comeback. If you ally with the Diagrammists, it's a no win scenario. You kill us, then they kill you. If you want to win, then there's only one option ahead of you. EDIT: Quick PSA I'd like to make. If you start ranting about how to win, make sure you remember that the Diagrammists are included in the Bondsmith victory. I'd like to publicly apologize to @Seonid for not reading the rules carefully enough and for my general incompetence. I'm sorry. Edited January 5, 2017 by Assassin in Burgundy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droughtbringer Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Assassin in Burgundy said: I'm not saying stay out of our way. I'm saying let's kill the Diagrammists and try and protect the Bondsmith. In any win con for the villagers, the Diagrammists have to die. Period. We can join forces and kill the Diagrammists but keep the Bondsmith alive, or you can join the Diagrammists, kill us, and then be killed by the Diagrammists. Statistically, if you join us, you have two ways of winning. We can get a Bondsmith win, or you can stop being attacked due to the alliance and make a comeback. If you ally with the Diagrammists, it's a no win scenario. You kill us, then they kill you. If you want to win, then there's only one option ahead of you. The Bondsmith Win con is that each faction has the exact same amount of members, and the bond smith is still alive, that includes the Diagrammists. 1 minute ago, Seonid said: We don't, actually. Why do you think we do? We just have to have equal numbers. At the moment, if indications are accurate, there are 8 Ghostbloods, 5 Sons of Honor, and 4 Diagrammists. The earliest we could win via Bondsmith is at 4 Ghostbloods, 4 Sons of Honor, and 4 Diagrammists. The biggest problem that I see with going for the Bondsmith win is that we have 4 Diagrammsists who the Ghostbloods know who they are, and are completely willing to kill, and will attempt to kill throughout the nights, each night, and probably every night until we are all dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seonid he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Assassin in Burgundy said: I'm not saying stay out of our way. I'm saying let's kill the Diagrammists and try and protect the Bondsmith. In any win con for the villagers, the Diagrammists have to die. Period. We can join forces and kill the Diagrammists but keep the Bondsmith alive, or you can join the Diagrammists, kill us, and then be killed by the Diagrammists. Statistically, if you join us, you have two ways of winning. We can get a Bondsmith win, or you can stop being attacked due to the alliance and make a comeback. If you ally with the Diagrammists, it's a no win scenario. You kill us, then they kill you. If you want to win, then there's only one option ahead of you. Actually, we have to keep the Diagrammists alive for a Bondsmith win. We have to have equal numbers of each of the three factions. If we kill the Diagrammists, we lose the Bondsmith win con. Quote Alternate Win Condition If an equal number of members from all three teams (Sons of Honour, Ghostbloods, Diagrammists) is alive at any point in the game and the Bondsmith is still alive, the remaining players win together, united in one cause by the Bondsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Yeah I just read the rules again. Read the edit I made in my earlier post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seonid he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Assassin in Burgundy said: Yeah I just read the rules again. Read the edit I made in my earlier post. I wouldn't call it incompetence at all. I know that I had to go back and reread the rules to make sure it wasn't something that had changed from last time. If anything, it convinces me of your sincerity - you at least honestly believed what you were saying. And that's a good point to start a relationship of trust from. Unfortunately, this is SE, where relationships of trust go to get murdered, drowned in their own blood, resurrected into an unrecognizable Lifeless abomination, and then used to destroy anyone who once relied on them. But still, it's the thought that counts, right? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kynedath Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Does anybody now who the bondsmith is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Seonid said: I wouldn't call it incompetence at all. I know that I had to go back and reread the rules to make sure it wasn't something that had changed from last time. If anything, it convinces me of your sincerity - you at least honestly believed what you were saying. And that's a good point to start a relationship of trust from. Unfortunately, this is SE, where relationships of trust go to get murdered, drowned in their own blood, resurrected into an unrecognizable Lifeless abomination, and then used to destroy anyone who once relied on them. But still, it's the thought that counts, right? That's... Unfortunately fairly accurate. Still feel a bit bad, but I'm glad it's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 At Seonid. The Bondsmith told me that Kipper was Restares. @Kynedath I do. They are a Son of Honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kynedath Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said: At Seonid. The Bondsmith told me that Kipper was Restares. @Kynedath I do. They are a Son of Honour. Can anyone else confirm this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Is anyone a surgeon/Edgedancer? Because we really need to keep the Bondsmith alive. If you were telling the truth about being a dancer, @Arinian, someone set up a PM between him and @A Joe in the Bush so we can keep the Bondsmith alive. This is, of course, subject to discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Kynedath said: Can anyone else confirm this? *Puts on a False mustache and glasses.* I can. Assuming you won't take another diagrammist's word for it (And I've only told one, like we agreed) Then I can only think of a Ghostblood who knows and is waiting for proof next cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Joe in the Bush Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Just now, Assassin in Burgundy said: Is anyone a surgeon/Edgedancer? Because we really need to keep the Bondsmith alive. If you were telling the truth about being a dancer, @Arinian, someone set up a PM between him and @A Joe in the Bush so we can keep the Bondsmith alive. This is, of course, subject to discussing. Is anyone a surgeon, willing to keep the bondsmith alive? Drought is! Oh wait, he's being lynched. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seonid he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Actually, @Sart I'm willing to switch the lynch target to Arinian. It would help to verify his information. @A Joe in the Bush what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, A Joe in the Bush said: Is anyone a surgeon, willing to keep the bondsmith alive? Drought is! Oh wait, he's being lynched. . . *How to be subtle 101* A guide by Joe Drought 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Seonid said: Actually, @Sart I'm willing to switch the lynch target to Arinian. It would help to verify his information. @A Joe in the Bush what do you think? Arinian claims he's an Edgedancer. We might be that if our surgeon dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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