Thanatos Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 So if Preservation can appear thousands or millions of times to the deceased when they go to the Beyond, would Odium not use this ability to control voidbringers in the physical realm? Thats why the Parshendi hear themselves screaming within their inner self. Cause Odiumnow controls them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I don't think Odium may directly control The Listener in VoidForms at the moment. He as far as we know isn't on Roshar, He is bound to Braize...Therefore He can't extend his mind to reach Roshar and take control of the Voidbringer...Probably through the Voidspren, he may influence them mainly with his Mandate and with some indirect way....But nothing like we saw with Ruin and the Inquisitors (probably something less then the Control Ruin had with Marsh while He was trapped) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted December 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Yes i think the voidspren is the connection to control the voidbringers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Thanatos said: Yes i think the voidspren is the connection to control the voidbringers. Ah ok, but remember the VoidSpren is not Odium's Mind. It's something born from Odium but quite indipendent by him (like every Radiant Spren are not strictly H&C). A Listener is fertile soil for their manipulation, when also not sentience spren change the way a Listener thinks or feels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Yata said: He as far as we know isn't on Roshar, He is bound to Braize...Therefore He can't extend his mind to reach Roshar and take control of the Voidbringer...Probably through the Voidspren, he may influence them mainly with his Mandate and with some indirect way....But nothing like we saw with Ruin and the Inquisitors (probably something less then the Control Ruin had with Marsh while He was trapped) His influence can be felt anywhere in the Greater Roshar System, so I don't think he would have a problem controlling or influencing them to a large degree from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody153 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) Quote INTERVIEW: Dec 6th, 2014 Orem Signing Report - Zas678 (Paraphrased) ZAS678 Can Odium influence people the same way that Ruin can? BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED) [misunderstands question as a question about kandra/koloss/parshendi] Well, you see, the kandra and the koloss have a "hole" in them that allows Ruin to come in and take over. The Parshendi naturally are protected from this, but when they expose themselves to the storms, and the spren come in, many of these spren have that kind of "hole" in them, and that’s what allows Odium to take control of them. ZAS678 No, I'm talking about how Ruin was able to push people, place things in their minds, stuff like that. Can Odium do the same thing? BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED) Well, Odium wasn't around when those people were created [Here it sounded like the mankind that's on that planet, not the specific generation], so it's a little different for him than Ruin. So if he influences people in that way, it's through the Unmade. (kinda relevant WoB) i thought Odium isn't on Braize because he has no choice but rather he's just there out of choice (he could still influence Roshar fine regardless anyways judging from the look of things) Quote Thats why the Parshendi hear themselves screaming within their inner self. The screaming could possibly be only exclusive to Eshonai since she's wielding a shardblade(obviously made of Honor/cultivation spren) since we haven't seen other Parshendi POV yet apart from her. Edited December 22, 2016 by goody153 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I worry that people on Roshar are all going to go to "hell" when they die, at least until Odium is defeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 but the Parshendi always talk about their Gods, plural, maybe Odium controls them thru the Unmade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, turtle373 said: but the Parshendi always talk about their Gods, plural, maybe Odium controls them thru the Unmade. Yeah the main possibility is the Listeners' Gods are simply the Unmades...Some of their songs, seem to explicity state this Edited January 10, 2017 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Quote "Smokeform for hiding and slipping between men. / A form of power, like human Surges. / Bring it ’round again. / Though crafted of gods, / It was by Unmade hand. / Leaves its force to be but one of foe or friend." Song of Histories, 127th stanza so yeah, their Gods seem to be the Unmade Edited January 10, 2017 by turtle373 more information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 8 hours ago, turtle373 said: so yeah, their Gods seem to be the Unmade Well, the song seems to be implying at their gods and the Unmade are separate, since it uses both terms. That stanza seems to be saying that the gods originally made the smokeform, but the Unmade changed it to be a force. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 he/him Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 the song actually makes it seem like Odium created it but the Unmade used it to control the Parshendi, though it still says Gods not God. not sure if that was what you were saying or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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