Effects of Aluminum Feruchemy

[Jedal he/him]

A little thought experiment

1. If a person were to store their complete Identity in a metalmind and lose it, what would be the Spiritual and Cognitive ramifications?

2. Could a person build a totally new Identity? 

3. If a person were to build a new Identity and then tap their metalmind, what would ensue in both the Cognitive and Spiritual realms?

[Spoolofwhool]

1. Nothing. Their spiritual identity is only gone while they're storing. Otherwise it's as normal, like any other feruchemical attribute (save memories.)

2. That's what Forgery does, in a sense. If you're talking about on your own, probably not, though it has been strongly hinted that the alternate self shadow that an Augur misting sees could possibly be used to change their cognitive, and by extension spiritual, identity.

3. The two possibilities I see are either that both identities blend and it could give the person access to any identity keyed item keyed to either identity or the tapped identity would override the current one. It might be that it depends on the strength of the tap. In any case, same thing as if a trueself ferring tapped an unkeyed aluminummind that someone else had made. 

Edited December 13, 2016 by Spoolofwhool

[Yata he/him]

I have to point out a fact:
"Identity" is not an attribute who consider personality,memories or any other Mental/cognitive part of self. It's "just" (also if it has great ramifications) the modulation of your investiture....It's a parameter who allow to bypass the usual Investiture's Interference. Imagine it as a wave with a specific pattern, when two waves hit each others they works one aganist the other....if the two waves has the right modulation they can work together without make problems.

There is a long WoB who hit as side effect this matter, I will try to find and post it here...

[+robardin he/him]

I would think that Feruchemy prevents one from emptying all of one' Identity into an aluminummind, just as you can't (per WoB somewhere) realistically put 100% of your health or heat into a metalmind, because you'd immediately die. Otherwise a Nicrosil Ferring (with no hemalurgic or other add-ons to give them other Feruchemical abilities) would have a potentially one-way storage of their Investiture.  Hey, I'm a Soulbearer, lookit me, I can put my ability to tap nicrosil into this here bit of nicrosil, and now I'll just tap it to draw it back out and, oh Rusts, that was all of it, wasn't it?

Creating a medallion is a side effect of filling a nicrosilmind while also filling a different metalmind at the same time; the bit of the Feruchemist's Identity that would normally flow into the metalmind to key it to the Feruchemist is instead going to the nicrosilmind, leaving the metalmind filled with its attitribute stored without Identity. It doesn't (have to) mean ALL of the Feruchemist's Identity.

 

Edited December 16, 2016 by robardin

[Yata he/him]

15 hours ago, robardin said:

I would think that Feruchemy prevents one from emptying all of one' Identity into an aluminummind, just as you can't (per WoB somewhere) realistically put 100% of your health or heat into a metalmind, because you'd immediately die. Otherwise a Nicrosil Ferring (with no hemalurgic or other add-ons to give them other Feruchemical abilities) would have a potentially one-way storage of their Investiture.  Hey, I'm a Soulbearer, lookit me, I can put my ability to tap nicrosil into this here bit of nicrosil, and now I'll just tap it to draw it back out and, oh Rusts, that was all of it, wasn't it?

Creating a medallion is a side effect of filling a nicrosilmind while also filling a different metalmind at the same time; the bit of the Feruchemist's Identity that would normally flow into the metalmind to key it to the Feruchemist is instead going to the nicrosilmind, leaving the metalmind filled with its attitribute stored without Identity. It doesn't (have to) mean ALL of the Feruchemist's Identity.

 

Actually some attributes may be stored to 100% without side effects, or to be more precise without harmful side effects. Wax for example usually store all his weight in the IronMind to exploit better his Steel or to push (not Push) himself away with a shotgun's shot. Of course it's possible he stores 99,999999999% of his weight but in the end, there is no way to know it.

[djammmer]

On ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 5:40 PM, Jedal said:

A little thought experiment

1. If a person were to store their complete Identity in a metalmind and lose it, what would be the Spiritual and Cognitive ramifications?

2. Could a person build a totally new Identity? 

3. If a person were to build a new Identity and then tap their metalmind, what would ensue in both the Cognitive and Spiritual realms?

Isn't this more or less what happens in emperor's soul?, it even references the cognitive/spiritual realms...

[Jedal he/him]

On 12/25/2016 at 3:15 AM, djammmer said:

Isn't this more or less what happens in emperor's soul?, it even references the cognitive/spiritual realms...

This is allowancy, not Forging, and the emperor's Cognitive persona was destroyed, not replaced. I'm saying this as someone who is not completely brain dead, unlike the emperor.

[Yata he/him]

But that is an identity, not an Identity as Realmatic words....In the Emperor Soul a new Soul is manmade (womanmade ?) with Forgery and Dor.

The Identity isn't tied to any mental/psychic/cognitive part of yourself (like I said in my first reply here)