Mysty she/her Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Rock has obviously been trained how to fight, he is too good with the bow, spear, and westeling to not have been trained somehow. Yet he insists he is the wrong son and therefore cannot fight. What if Rock was a fourth son, until one of Rock's older brothers died and Rock became the third son. It would have had to happen after Rock was old enough to begin training in earnest. How else could he nearly beat Kalidan in an unfair fight?
Moogle Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) How else could he nearly beat Kalidan in an unfair fight? Kaladin is half his size, and still neatly beat Rock without much in the way of exertion. Dunno if I'd say Rock almost beat him! As to Rock, it's possible he was the Nuotoma (sp?) that 'fought' Sadeas or that there was no Horneater procession. There's been no Shardplate duels in a year, and yet Rock wasn't a bridgeman for that long. It's possible there's something up. For a cook, Rock wrestles well and fires a bow well. Edited January 28, 2014 by Moogle
terox he/him Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 from WoK chapter 55 I will not fight,” Rock said. “Is not my place.” He glanced up at the spheres, then smiled faintly. “But shooting bridge is all right.”“How did you learn?” Kaladin asked.“Is secret,” Rock said firmly. “Take bow. Bother me no more.” I would guess there is a story about his training 1
DocHoliday he/him Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Kaladin is half his size, and still neatly beat Rock without much in the way of exertion. Dunno if I'd say Rock almost beat him! Kaladin was huffing and puffing after he finally Lashed Rock. I'd say that is just a little bit of exertion As to Rock, it's possible he was the Nuotoma (sp?) that 'fought' Sadeas or that there was no Horneater procession. There's been no Shardplate duels in a year, and yet Rock wasn't a bridgeman for that long. It's possible there's something up. For a cook, Rock wrestles well and fires a bow well. I'm glad you caught that to. I just mentioned in another thread about the first bout in over a year for Shards. Either the Alethi don't count challengers who don't bring Shards to the table, or something smells like fish. While I think on it more, why didn't the Neuotoma rent a set of Plate from the King? All his possessions minus his family could have payed for it surely. Scratch all that. Sadeas wouldn't duel without a payout.
Gamma Fiend he/him Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I was just thinking about this, too. Is being a third or fourth son a constant, or is it a changing conditional?Next question to ask Brandon: Has Rock always been a thirdson? 2
Natans he/him Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Kaladin was huffing and puffing after he finally Lashed Rock. I'd say that is just a little bit of exertion Try wrestle someone with twice your weight and you will see that this aren't soo odd =) Rock being able to see hidden spren to me are much more odd that his fight skill, The man are like a walking radiant detector, if he anyone have a "secret" spren he can detect with easy, very handy hability =)
DocHoliday he/him Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Try wrestle someone with twice your weight and you will see that this aren't soo odd. LoL that was the point I was making. I weigh about 140 lbs(220kg I think). I know all about wrestling with people heavier than I.
Darkarma he/him Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 I think Rock can fight be he has had to wrestle Chull that are much heavier than he. Anything he wanted to cook that can put up a fight. 1
lummi he/him Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 LoL that was the point I was making. I weigh about 140 lbs(220kg I think). I know all about wrestling with people heavier than I. 1lbs = 0.45 kg so 140lbs = 63 kg
Binnut he/him Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 And i who thought that Doc was ironic when he said that =P. 220 kg should have tipped me off, its a little too excessive to wrestle at all.
dyring Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) aye, 220 kg is 485 lbs I´m 110 kg(and 1.92 m tall), thats 240 lbs. Doesent really matter how good someone is if their much lighter. (thou I have had some training, but still) Edited January 29, 2014 by dyring
Haxors he/him Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) what if rock is actually a herald in hiding? would it not explain his ability to fight and also his ability to see spren? Edited January 29, 2014 by Haxors 1
Natans he/him Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 LoL that was the point I was making. I weigh about 140 lbs(220kg I think). I know all about wrestling with people heavier than I. =) Well, in this case whatever you said
Swimmingly he/him Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Kaladin is half his size, and still neatly beat Rock without much in the way of exertion. Dunno if I'd say Rock almost beat him! As to Rock, it's possible he was the Nuotoma (sp?) that 'fought' Sadeas or that there was no Horneater procession. There's been no Shardplate duels in a year, and yet Rock wasn't a bridgeman for that long. It's possible there's something up. For a cook, Rock wrestles well and fires a bow well. For a secret warrior, Rock certainly cooks well!
DocHoliday he/him Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 1lbs = 0.45 kg so 140lbs = 63 kg LoL I couldn't remember if it was double andit take some away. Or half it and take some. Mystery solved
kmosiman Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 He could have skill at fighting but not be a warrior. We don't know much about the Horneaters. Life seems to be tough on the peaks. Bows are for hunting not just for war. Spears can be used in the same manner. Rock said that he would not fight not that he could not. Not to say that he did not learn to fight when he was not supposed to. Kaladin did the same thing. 1
Robot Aztec Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 What if Rock was a fourth son, until one of Rock's older brothers died and Rock became the third son. It would have had to happen after Rock was old enough to begin training in earnest. How else could he nearly beat Kalidan in an unfair fight? Waht if rock has twin ? 2
Speaker4thDead he/him Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 I think he is a world hopper... Everything about him reminds me of what's his name turned god in mistborn trilogy... Crazy off the wall theory but had to throw it out there
FingerstyleFunk he/him Posted January 30, 2014 Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) He could have skill at fighting but not be a warrior. We don't know much about the Horneaters. Life seems to be tough on the peaks. Bows are for hunting not just for war. Spears can be used in the same manner. Rock said that he would not fight not that he could not. Not to say that he did not learn to fight when he was not supposed to. Kaladin did the same thing. Agreed. There doesn't necessarily have to be a secret to it. Knowing a few martial-style skills (like wrestling or archery) doesn't necessarily mean that one ever expected or intended to be involved in actual fighting. Note, for a parallel, that Szeth is apparently quite an expert in Kammar (Shin hand-to-hand martial art) despite the fact that he was, before becoming Truthless, apparently an educated member of society. Of course, it's possible that even their warriors are that well-educated despite being the lowest caste in their society and near-slaves, but it seems unlikely. Edit: Of course I HOPE it's more interesting than that... I could see Rock being some kind of horneater version of Truthless, or maybe (what with the seeing spren thing) he was sent intentionally to find and attach himself to an ascendant Radiant... but he just doesn't seem that devious. Edited January 30, 2014 by FingerstyleFunk
Murph Posted July 12, 2017 Posted July 12, 2017 If I remember correctly third sons are craftsman. First and second are cooks. Maybe he was a third son who could be a blacksmith or bow maker could be why he was so good with a bow. If one brother died he could then become a cook. His wrestling skills could just be from wrestling with brothers or it could just be a horneater favorite pass time.
Aon Ene Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 On 1/29/2014 at 5:56 PM, kmosiman said: He could have skill at fighting but not be a warrior. We don't know much about the Horneaters. Life seems to be tough on the peaks. Bows are for hunting not just for war. Spears can be used in the same manner. Rock said that he would not fight not that he could not. Not to say that he did not learn to fight when he was not supposed to. Kaladin did the same thing. This is the most logical explanation.... not as exciting though
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