SpeakoftheDeval Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 I've always been a little bugged by how Odium managed to splinter Honor but not Cultivation. And I was just reading some topics when I thought, maybe it's because Cultivation is constantly deliberately splintering herself to stay under Odium's power radar. It would make sense with something i remember reading saying she has just given up and it wouldn't be against her intent either if by splintering herself she can also make her splinters bond with animals therefore cultivating them. Anyone got any ideas? 1
1stBondsmith he/him Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 I believe that Honor Splintered himself, or weakened himself deliberately to bind Odium and keep him from splintering Cultivation. Honor would do this in a heartbeat.
Droughtbringer Posted October 31, 2016 Posted October 31, 2016 1 hour ago, MadhavDeval said: I've always been a little bugged by how Odium managed to splinter Honor but not Cultivation. And I was just reading some topics when I thought, maybe it's because Cultivation is constantly deliberately splintering herself to stay under Odium's power radar. It would make sense with something i remember reading saying she has just given up and it wouldn't be against her intent either if by splintering herself she can also make her splinters bond with animals therefore cultivating them. Anyone got any ideas? Its a good idea, yet it might have something else to do with shardic intent, it could be that some shards more directly appose Odium, like Honor, and other shards are going to try to hide to continue their work, also it could be what @1stBondsmith said.
SpeakoftheDeval Posted November 1, 2016 Author Posted November 1, 2016 @1stBondsmith I could see that happening but, every splinter we've seen so far is either sentient or bonded with a sentience. That implies there is a sentience on braize, binding Odium. Could this have something to do with the Oathpact and the Heralds?
1stBondsmith he/him Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Absolutely. I think the Oathpact was a key part in the binding of Odium. I just don't know what it was.
Spoolofwhool Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Likely occurrence, but if there are then splinters on Braize binding Odium, they would've been created as an addition to the Oathpact, not as part of its original creation. I'm more of the opinion that Honor created a widespread effect in the Greater Roshar System which caught Odium when he arrived and forced him to invest into Roshar.
SpeakoftheDeval Posted November 2, 2016 Author Posted November 2, 2016 23 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said: Likely occurrence, but if there are then splinters on Braize binding Odium, they would've been created as an addition to the Oathpact, not as part of its original creation. I'm more of the opinion that Honor created a widespread effect in the Greater Roshar System which caught Odium when he arrived and forced him to invest into Roshar. So do you think that Honor did this because it was honorable to protect the majority of shards by trapping Odium with him and Cultivation?
Spoolofwhool Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, MadhavDeval said: So do you think that Honor did this because it was honorable to protect the majority of shards by trapping Odium with him and Cultivation? I don't think Honor's power was directed to bind Odium initially, but rather it was the framework of his power forming the oathpact which snared him. I also don't think Honor planned to trap Odium, but took advantage of the fact after it occurred. The reason why is because it seems fairly likely that Odium is bound by the Oathpact, but we have WoB that the Oathpact only bound Odium as a side effect of its intended function, whatever that is, though I do have a theory. Whether Honor possibly invested more power to keep Odium imprisoned because of honourable intentions or self-preservation is something I am unsure about,
SpeakoftheDeval Posted November 2, 2016 Author Posted November 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Spoolofwhool said: though I do have a theory can you link that please, it seems intriguing
Spoolofwhool Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, MadhavDeval said: can you link that please, it seems intriguing Here it is. I made it awhile ago, and I've gained considerable knowledge since then, so parts of it may need revising.
What's a Seawolf? Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Spoolofwhool said: I don't think Honor's power was directed to bind Odium initially, but rather it was the framework of his power forming the oathpact which snared him. I also don't think Honor planned to trap Odium, but took advantage of the fact after it occurred. The reason why is because it seems fairly likely that Odium is bound by the Oathpact, but we have WoB that the Oathpact only bound Odium as a side effect of its intended function, whatever that is, though I do have a theory. Whether Honor possibly invested more power to keep Odium imprisoned because of honourable intentions or self-preservation is something I am unsure about, Random thought: What if the Oathpact was orginally intended as a way to have the rest of Roshar avoid Braize? As in, the 10 heralds sacrifice themselves so everyone else avoids the torment of Braize (very honorable,) and also get to come back whenever they are most needed to save the world. Then, after the Oathpact is abandoned, the 'you must go to Braize' aspect of dying falls to the KR. Once this becomes known, boom, the Recreance. Just a thought to tie what you said to one of the more popular theories about Braize and the Recreance. 1
Massik he/him Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 I find myself wondering if the Heralds will reform the Oathpact, or others will take thier place, and therefore their honorblades.
Spoolofwhool Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, What's a Seawolf? said: Random thought: What if the Oathpact was orginally intended as a way to have the rest of Roshar avoid Braize? As in, the 10 heralds sacrifice themselves so everyone else avoids the torment of Braize (very honorable,) and also get to come back whenever they are most needed to save the world. Then, after the Oathpact is abandoned, the 'you must go to Braize' aspect of dying falls to the KR. Once this becomes known, boom, the Recreance. Just a thought to tie what you said to one of the more popular theories about Braize and the Recreance. Interesting thought. So you're proposing that going to Braize and Damnation as part of the afterlife is something that occurred before Odium arrived? Interesting thought, though it does go a bit against Vorinism lore, assuming that is somewhat accurate contextually for rosharan history. According to Vorinism, pre-Expulsion, only those deserving of Damnation were cast there by Almighty and everyone else resided in the Tranquiline Halls. The Expulsion was then when Odium arrived.
Oversleep Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 I swear I have seen a WoB about Cultivation being whole. It was something about Roshar having a full Shard opposing Odium. I can't find it now. As for her involvment with the clash with Odium: Quote Seonid "If Cultivation and Honor were romantically involved, why did Cultivation not help Honor against Odium?" Brandon Sanderson "She did." source
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