bdoble97 Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 As I finshed my reread of Words of Radince I scramble to the internet to find the Kaladin book 3 chapter. When reading it Kaladin says to himself that he feels the connection between himself and Syl may be getting stronger. But then he quickly dismisses it says it's just familiarity between the two. Kalidian then notices that Syl's looks has changed no longer wearing a short girls dress she's wearing a full woman's dress with her safe and buttoned-up. I guess my question is when Kaladin grows stronger with Stormlight and becomes more of a KR does Syl grow up in a way. Also is mention that Kaladin summonses his blade multiple times within the chapter I hope this does not mean he will no longer be using a shardspear due to the fact that I really like the idea of him using the spear and not a sword. When I first read The Way of Kings I was disappointed that the main character would not be using a sword and use a spare instead. But have become very fondly attached to Kaladin and his spear and fighting Style it makes him different from most fantasy solders who usually always have a sword, battelaxe or warhammer. It is one of the main reasons why I don't think he'll ever have the shardplate but I have mentioned that in other post.
OrgasimSpren Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 Kaladin used many weapons, even a shield, in his fight with Szeth. At first I guess Syl just assumed he would want a sword (like everyone else would?) but then remembered he liked fighting with a spear. She seems to anticipate what he needs and shapes herself accordingly so I think he and Syl will continue with the swiss army knife thing they have. The stronger the bond gets she might even form plate for him if/when he wants it. Unless that cousin spren thing is true. 3
dionysus Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 Syl needs the bond to be sentient/intelligent in the physical plane. The transition to the physical for her also likely wiped her memories and much of her understanding of humans. Throughout books one and two we see her struggle with human concepts and her understanding and memory do seem to improve as the bond grows stronger. Syl when Kaladin is in the cage being transported as a slave is like a toddler. When Kaladin starts protecting and leading bridge 4, she "matures" rapidly and starts holding much longer conversations and grasping human motivations. When the bond degrades in book 2, we see Syl herself degrade back to being more windspren like. I think it is almost confirmed at this point that Syl does mentally grow with the strength of the bond. As to why she would start adopting Alethi forms of dress and appearance, I imagine it is because she knows it makes Kaladin feel comfortable and I wouldn't be surprised if she is being a bit manipulative (but in a good way.) I think she saves that full size woman form for important conversations with Kaladin, and she now recognizes why Kaladin might prefer her with the safehand covered, so she does it. 1
bdoble97 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 1 hour ago, dionysus said: Syl needs the bond to be sentient/intelligent in the physical plane. The transition to the physical for her also likely wiped her memories and much of her understanding of humans. Throughout books one and two we see her struggle with human concepts and her understanding and memory do seem to improve as the bond grows stronger. Syl when Kaladin is in the cage being transported as a slave is like a toddler. When Kaladin starts protecting and leading bridge 4, she "matures" rapidly and starts holding much longer conversations and grasping human motivations. When the bond degrades in book 2, we see Syl herself degrade back to being more windspren like. I think it is almost confirmed at this point that Syl does mentally grow with the strength of the bond. As to why she would start adopting Alethi forms of dress and appearance, I imagine it is because she knows it makes Kaladin feel comfortable and I wouldn't be surprised if she is being a bit manipulative (but in a good way.) I think she saves that full size woman form for important conversations with Kaladin, and she now recognizes why Kaladin might prefer her with the safehand covered, so she does it. Excellent points. The full size form she has only uses 2 times that i can recall. With her mental capacitygrowing and her physical form changing to appeal to Kaladin I wobder if she will have more if a romantic emotional attachment to him or if that's even possible between a human and spren. Tnis also make me wonder what does form look like when she is fully in shadesmare apologies if I spelled that incorrectly as I am a horrible speller and my grammar is bad too. 2 hours ago, OrgasimSpren said: Kaladin used many weapons, even a shield, in his fight with Szeth. At first I guess Syl just assumed he would want a sword (like everyone else would?) but then remembered he liked fighting with a spear. She seems to anticipate what he needs and shapes herself accordingly so I think he and Syl will continue with the swiss army knife thing they have. The stronger the bond gets she might even form plate for him if/when he wants it. Unless that cousin spren thing is true. I do remember her becoming multiple weapons I believe she was a shield, sword, spear, knife and a h ammer during the fight with Szeth. But in the 1st Kaladin chapter for book 3 she only turns into a shardblade.
OrgasimSpren Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I haven't read that. Has Brandon released some chapters online or does he read them (conventions?) to fans like GRRM? But maybe he wants to get better with a sword? In WoR he wanted to get better against Shardblades and Kaladin did kind of struggle against Szeth till Szeth gave up... Either way just because Syl only turns into a Shardblade in chapter 1 doesn't mean she will continue doing that the whole book. I doubt Brandon would go through the trouble of showing that living spren can turn into more than just Shadblades, then forget about it in the next book.
bdoble97 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 4 hours ago, OrgasimSpren said: I haven't read that. Has Brandon released some chapters online or does he read them (conventions?) to fans like GRRM? But maybe he wants to get better with a sword? In WoR he wanted to get better against Shardblades and Kaladin did kind of struggle against Szeth till Szeth gave up... Either way just because Syl only turns into a Shardblade in chapter 1 doesn't mean she will continue doing that the whole book. I doubt Brandon would go through the trouble of showing that living spren can turn into more than just Shadblades, then forget about it in the next book. The chapter is on Tor.com I remember seeing awhile back but never read it but had to after finshing my reread of Words of Radince.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 As for her only turning into a blade, dead spren blades are all swords because of the default oattern from Honorblades. Perhaps her default is a sword unless he mentally asks for a spear/knife etc.. So if the scenes where he pulls it are reactionary (ie: out of shock) then that could explain it. Disclaimer: I havent read the chapter, so this is almost baseless conjecture 1
Shardbearer he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 My theory about Syl's appearance in that scene is that she's trying to look like Shallan. She's jealous of his affection for Shallan. 3
bdoble97 Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 20 minutes ago, Shardbearer said: My theory about Syl's appearance in that scene is that she's trying to look like Shallan. She's jealous of his affection for Shallan. That's perfect because I think eventually Stl going to have romantic feelings for Kaladin.
jrh1524 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 On 10/19/2016 at 11:15 AM, bdoble97 said: That's perfect because I think eventually Stl going to have romantic feelings for Kaladin. What if Shallan somehow takes him to Shadesmar? Can they meet (or is it meat) in person?
bdoble97 Posted November 1, 2016 Author Posted November 1, 2016 58 minutes ago, jrh1524 said: What if Shallan somehow takes him to Shadesmar? Can they meet (or is it meat) in person? That would be excellent. I would love to see that happen. Im a 31 year old man and as soon as I read this I all excited hahahha. My wife says I'm a big baby when it comes to romantic stuff. What do you think Syl look like in shadesmar. 1
goody153 Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 Kaladin will surely be using Shardspear i wouldn't worry about that, he just happens to be also capable of using the shard as a sword (though it's not as good he is with the spear). Also there's no need to turn his blade into a spear if there's no fullblown fight or something. As for Syl i thought at this point Syl is already as complete as she could get personality wise (not memory-wise) Quote INTERVIEW: Dec, 2010 Goodreads WoK Fantasy Book Club Q&A with Brandon Sanderson (Verbatim) MIKE Has Kaladin's windspren Syl reached the epitome of her consciousness or will we see a smarter spren in future books? BRANDON SANDERSON (GOODREADS) Syl has recovered everything of her personality. There are things she doesn't remember, and things she can still learn to do, but she has recovered her personality in full so she's not changing according to this WoB but rather it's probably just her whim to start dressing up like a woman of alekthar. She did wear cap and a storegirl attire once (where Kaladin asked if she knew the word "Odium" then she detransformed and hissed at Kaladin) back Kaladin's bridgerunning days so i guess she doesn't really mind cosplaying from time to time. 1
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