Stormlight and Nicrosilminds [BoM, Stormlight Archive, and Warbreaker Spoilers]

[Bladex454]

Is it possible to use unkeyed Nicrosilminds to store Stormlight (assuming that the user is capable of Surgebinding, probably through an Honorblade)? If so, what other forms of Investiture would Nicrosilminds be capable of storing? Would it be easier or harder to Awaken a Stormlight filled metalmind?

Edited September 17, 2016 by Bladex454

[Yata he/him]

I remember a WoB who said it possible.

But we don't know if the Stormlight will leak fast from the metal, only gemstone are good to keep Stormlight.

Anyway IF you manage to fill a Metalmind of Investiture (yeah I will call it Stormind). I don't think you will find harder to awaken a Stormind rather than a tipical Metalmind...They both keep Investiture

PS: I don't see the need of an unkeyed Nicrosilmind...every piece of Nicrosil would be fine to Store Investiture.

Edited September 17, 2016 by Yata

[Spoolofwhool]

I was under the impression Nicrosil stored innate investiture, not kinetic investiture. So the ability to use a manifestation of investiture for example, instead of the actual investiture gained when that manifestation is used. It's possible that there may be a way of storing kinetic investiture which hasn't been revealed yet, since kinetic investiture is a lot less common on Scandrial. If that is the case, then if you use it to store stormlight, there may be some weird interactions between stormlight's natural attribute of being released and the influence of Preservation which is to preserve whatever is stored. I've also thought though that storing into a metalmind does change what you're storing into feruchemical investiture, even if it is already innate investiture like when you're storing spiritual attributes. (Though are physical and mental attributes that are stored also a part of your innate investiture?)

Continuing on from that, when you store an attribute in a metalmind, you're not just directly storing the innate investiture or whatever related to it, but you're changing it into a feruchemical investiture charge which then goes into the metalmind, a charge which is just generally designed to change a specific attribute when tapped. So for example, if you store strength, you're not directly storing a modifier to your physical. You're storing a feruchemical charge which will just find the part of the tapper related to physical strength and amplify it, which can be anyone, providing there is a way around the natural encryption. 

So relating this back to stormlight. I think that if you could and do store stormlight feruchemically into a nicromind, then you wouldn't actually be storing stormlight, but rather a feruchemical charge which is set to turn into stormlight when tapped. So, you wouldn't actually get a nicromind full of stormlight, just one full of a feruchemical charge. You would get a far larger feruchemical charge than normal though. so it might be possible to awaken that.

 

Hopefully this made sense, at least the first part. The second part turned into a slight ramble which doesn't seem all too clear so if there are any questions I would be happy to answer.

[Oversleep]

6 hours ago, Yata said:

I remember a WoB who said it possible.

Hm... mind sourcing?
Then what does Nicrosil store - every Investiture or only Innate Investiture? I was under impression it can store the Investiture from your soul (after all, it is a Spiritual metal). Could you burn a metal and store the Investiture your obtaining from it?

[PantsForSquares he/him]

8 hours ago, Bladex454 said:

Would it be easier or harder to Awaken a Stormlight filled metalmind?

It's going to be pretty hard to awaken a nicrosilmind. First of all, awakening metal requires the Ninth Heightening. Next is the difficulty of Awakening an object that has no resemblance to a humanoid shape (most metalminds are bracers/bangles/rings/earrings), which increases the cost in Breath to Awaken it. Furthermore, it's always going to be harder to affect an Invested object with more Investiture (see: Szeth commenting on how it's harder to Lash someone with Plate), so trying to Awaken any metalmind is going to be a difficult affair.

 

[Spoolofwhool]

3 minutes ago, PantsForSquares said:

It's going to be pretty hard to awaken a nicrosilmind. First of all, awakening metal requires the Ninth Heightening. Next is the difficulty of Awakening an object that has no resemblance to a humanoid shape (most metalminds are bracers/bangles/rings/earrings), which increases the cost in Breath to Awaken it. Furthermore, it's always going to be harder to affect an Invested object with more Investiture (see: Szeth commenting on how it's harder to Lash someone with Plate), so trying to Awaken any metalmind is going to be a difficult affair.

 

I believe the idea is to use the investiture in the nicrosilmind to power the awakening. This would do away with the issue of affecting an invested object, since you wouldn't be adding more investiture, just using whatever is already there. You would probably need to add a bit more as a result of the awakening process though, so there would be a touch of interference.

[Yata he/him]

ok the WoB isn't so clear as I remembered

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Q. Since Stormlight and Breath are both investiture, would it be possible to use Nightblood with the former rather than the latter? Would it be possible to store Stormlight in metal using Feruchemy?

A. Mixing the magics is possible, but some are easier and more natural than other. Feeding Stormlight to Nightblood is easy. Storing stormlight in metal is tough.

He didn't deny the possibilty of Feruchemist who store Stormlight in his Metalminds (no reference to Nicrosil)

[Spoolofwhool]

18 minutes ago, Yata said:

ok the WoB isn't so clear as I remembered

He didn't deny the possibilty of Feruchemist who store Stormlight in his Metalminds (no reference to Nicrosil)

The Q&A took place before Bands of Mourning, so it was before it was revealed Nicrosil being used. It's probable that it was a reference to nicrosil feruchemy, however it still doesn't answer whether the end result is nicrosil giving off stormlight or feruchemically charged nicrosil which gives stormlight when tapped.

[Yata he/him]

1 minute ago, Oversleep said:

Hm... mind sourcing?
Then what does Nicrosil store - every Investiture or only Innate Investiture? I was under impression it can store the Investiture from your soul (after all, it is a Spiritual metal). Could you burn a metal and store the Investiture your obtaining from it?

I am searching from a bit...but I can't find it

[Bladex454]

It would be interesting if Harmonium's Feruchemical use was to mix magic. It'd also be fitting, considering his ascension.