Adolin and ryshadium

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First post. I'm not sure of the spoiler protocol, so be warned, this post includes spoilers.  

I'm rereading WoR and noticed something I missed the first time.  Ryshadium were the horses of the radiants. Kalidian is told this while learning to ride. It got me thinking about the horses. I know from WoK that the ryshadium are very picky about who they choose as riders. Do we know when Dalinar and Adolin got their ryshadiums?

 

I'm wondering if ryshadium pick those with a bond to a spren or the potential to bond. Dalinar has a bond with the storm father. I assume that there has been some form of bond since the visions started, maybe longer. It took Kalidian a long time to notice the bond and Shallan denied it for years. It seems possible Dalinar’s bond goes back long enough to precede his ryshadium. I think Adolin has a bond too, and his goes back even further, almost as long as he has had his blade. The way he speaks to his blade and feels like it listens makes me think he may have the beginnings of a bond to the spren. I know the spren is “dead”,  but Syl did say the maybe the blades wouldn't be abominations if the right people had them. She was skeptical that there were such people, but if the ryshadium do choose those with a bond then I think Adolin is likely to undead a spren. Of course this leads me to speculate about what order he could fall into. Could killing Sadeas be in line with one of the orders, maybe skybreakers?

My apologize if I'm just rehashing something that has been discussed to death. I read a few threads on Adolin prior to posting and didn't see this discussed, but this forum is huge. I could have missed it.  

 

[Argel he/him]

Dalinar's bond occurs at the end of WoR and Adolin has a dead shardblade, so no Nahal bond.  There is speculation that Adolin may "ressurect" the dead spren in shardblade, but that has not happened yet (if it will happen at all). 

With that said, maybe they make good proto-KR indicators.

[Savanorn he/him]

55 minutes ago, If.you.die.I.go.stupid said:

First post. I'm not sure of the spoiler protocol, so be warned, this post includes spoilers.  

I'm rereading WoR and noticed something I missed the first time.  Ryshadium were the horses of the radiants. Kalidian is told this while learning to ride. It got me thinking about the horses. I know from WoK that the ryshadium are very picky about who they choose as riders. Do we know when Dalinar and Adolin got their ryshadiums?

 

I'm wondering if ryshadium pick those with a bond to a spren or the potential to bond. Dalinar has a bond with the storm father. I assume that there has been some form of bond since the visions started, maybe longer. It took Kalidian a long time to notice the bond and Shallan denied it for years. It seems possible Dalinar’s bond goes back long enough to precede his ryshadium. I think Adolin has a bond too, and his goes back even further, almost as long as he has had his blade. The way he speaks to his blade and feels like it listens makes me think he may have the beginnings of a bond to the spren. I know the spren is “dead”,  but Syl did say the maybe the blades wouldn't be abominations if the right people had them. She was skeptical that there were such people, but if the ryshadium do choose those with a bond then I think Adolin is likely to undead a spren. Of course this leads me to speculate about what order he could fall into. Could killing Sadeas be in line with one of the orders, maybe skybreakers?

My apologize if I'm just rehashing something that has been discussed to death. I read a few threads on Adolin prior to posting and didn't see this discussed, but this forum is huge. I could have missed it.  

 

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I don't know when, exactly, they received their Ryshadium, but we know Adolin bonded his after he won his blade and we know Dalinar has had Gallant for a while. 

There is a searching function as well, so if you are unsure about if something has been said before you can take a look. That said, people have brought up the idea before that Ryshadium somehow have a sense for people who may become Radiants. I don't believe a consensus was reached, largely due to us lacking evidence so far.  

It makes sense, but Rhyshadium could also be independent of Radiants now, and it could even be a more complex issue...like maybe only certain orders can bond Ryshadium, or maybe all people with a Ryshadium could become Radiants, but not all do.

 

8 minutes ago, Argel said:

Dalinar's bond occurs at the end of WoR and Adolin has a dead shardblade, so no Nahal bond.  There is speculation that Adolin may "ressurect" the dead spren in shardblade, but that has not happened yet (if it will happen at all). 

With that said, maybe they make good proto-KR indicators.

I think IYDIGS means this, yeah. 

Correct me if I'm wrong. 

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19 minutes ago, Savanorn said:

 

 

I think IYDIGS means this, yeah. 

Correct me if I'm wrong. 

Yes. I think it might be an indicator,  but not likely that all riders will become Knights.

 

39 minutes ago, Argel said:

Dalinar's bond occurs at the end of WoR and Adolin has a dead shardblade, so no Nahal bond.  There is speculation that Adolin may "ressurect" the dead spren in shardblade, but that has not happened yet (if it will happen at all). 

With that said, maybe they make good proto-KR indicators.

Does Dalinar's bond occur at the end of WoR?  His oaths occur then but Kalind began the bond before his oaths. I thought a similar thing was happening with Dalinar and would explain why he gets the visions. Maybe it is better to call it a pre-load before the oaths, but I think there was some connection before the oath. With Adolin, I understand the Sprenger is dead so no Nahal bond,  but maybe there is a similar,  pre-natal connection.  

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2 minutes ago, If.you.die.I.go.stupid said:

Yes. I think it might be an indicator,  but not likely that all riders will become Knights.

 

Does Dalinar's bond occur at the end of WoR?  His oaths occur then but Kalind began the bond before his oaths. I thought a similar thing was happening with Dalinar and would explain why he gets the visions. Maybe it is better to call it a pre-load before the oaths, but I think there was some connection before the oath. With Adolin, I understand the Sprenger is dead so no Nahal bond,  but maybe there is a similar,  pre-natal connection.  

Dalinar is somewhat special in that he essentially asks the Stormfather to make him a Radiant in order to lead the rest. After this, he starts hearing the screams of his blade and therefore is bonded. Most take this to mean that he was not bonded before this although as you have said, the visions also seem to come from the bond but this is not really know I suppose.

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Horses weren’t terribly well known back then. Radiants had Ryshadium, but even kings had little access to ordinary horses.

It is an interesting quote. It may just be the way I read it, but it seems like the Ryshadium came before horses. I had always assumed that they were created from horses in a similar way to making an Aviar (an interaction between magic and regular animals) but with some kind of spren.

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We do not know hordes when it comes to Ryshadium.

To answer some of your questions, we do not know when Dalinar bonded Gallant, but we do know Adolin bonded Sureblood some time after bonding his Shardblade which he won prior to Gavilar's death. Therefore, Adolin was about 16-17 years of age when he was chosen by Sureblood. 

In the past, Brandon has told us while Ryshadiums were known to be the Radiants's steeds, they weren't exclusive to them. In other words, a Ryshadium may choose to bond a non-Radiant which implies the fact Adolin was chosen as a teenager does not mean anything as to his future status. Adolin is a nice kid, generous, selfless and somewhat of a nerve bag: Sureblood probably was a very young energetic animal who picked a very young energetic rider to grow up with him. Why him? My guess is because he was kind, because he wasn't arrogant and because he doubted he could bond one. Sadly, I do not think it bears much relevance to his potential as a Radiant.

Adolin's Shardblade has been a much discussed subject ever since the release of WoR. In fact, it has been one of the most discussed subject: threads and posts have been numerous. A lot of people, including myself are deeply rooting for Brandon to further explore both Adolin as a character and the Blade revival arc in particular. Having your slightly arrogant, mouthy and appearing to be shallow typical prince-like character suddenly pour his heart and doubts out into his Blade, to see him show this respect and to have him nurture this connection only he can sense formed one of the most endearing paragraph of the whole book. It brought unsuspected layers to a character most had taken for superficial. Can he pulled it off? Can Adolin be the one to figure out how to bring back a dead-spren to life? A lot of people are sure rooting for it. As for which order it would put him it, he'd be an Edgedancer. It has been confirmed his Blade belonged to this order. 

The Skybreakers wouldn't want him because he broke the law. I'd even go further and I'd say Adolin would be completely unsuited for any order aligned with Honor as those seem to require their knights to follow a strict code and precise rules. Adolin is currently suffocating under his father's rigidity: it partially caused his snapping towards the end.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, maxal said:

 

Adolin's Shardblade has As for which order it would put him it, he'd be an Edgedancer. It has been confirmed his Blade belonged to this order. 

The Skybreakers wouldn't want him because he broke the law. I'd even go further and I'd say Adolin would be completely unsuited for any order aligned with Honor as those seem to require their knights to follow a strict code and precise rules. Adolin is currently suffocating under his father's rigidity: it partially caused his snapping towards the end.

 

 

Good point.  Thanks. 

 

I'll search for threads about the blade and Adolin.