NathanielHellman Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Spoilers for those who haven't finished either Stormlight Archive books. As we all know Odium has shattered Honor's shard and killed its holder. However, as the series goes on it might be impossible for the main characters to fight against a shard holder, without another shard holder. I think that they might have to gather the shattered remnants of Honor's shard and remake it. I don't know if this is possible, but I think it would be interesting to have one of the main characters take up the shard to fight Odium. As for who would wield it, I think it either has to be Kaladin or Dalinar. Dalinar already has the Stormfather as his spren and is set to be a very powerful player in the days to come, but on the other hand there is Kaladin. He already holds an honor spren and these first five books are more or less built around him and I believe that he will be the champion that Honor hinted at in the visions he sent Dalinar. I prefer the idea of Kaladin becoming the new holder of Honor's shard since I feel that it would show the most growth of a character who went from a slave all the way to a God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djarskublar Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 While I can't disprove you in any way, there is one problem. We already had the 'ascend to godhood to beat the enemy god' story. It's called HoA. I don't think he will recycle that plot. Non cosmere aware people will be like hey wait, you already did this... Boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, Djarskublar said: While I can't disprove you in any way, there is one problem. We already had the 'ascend to godhood to beat the enemy god' story. It's called HoA. I don't think he will recycle that plot. Non cosmere aware people will be like hey wait, you already did this... Boring. Agreed, It's been done already. Doing it again will draw a lot of flack from the readers. Plus, it would be so unimaginative, and I think Brandon has a lot more integrity that that. You're right though that defeating Odium will be hard without another shard, but I think the method is already there. Check spoiler for my thoughts on how they're going to beat him. Spoiler As Honor said in one of Dalinar's vision: Quote Vex Odium, convince him that he can lose, and appoint a champion. He will take that chance instead of risking defeat again, as he has suffered so often. This is probably how book 5, or book 10 is going to end. Odium will take the gamble and appoint a champion. The champion will lose, and because of honor binding the fight, it would restrain Odium's power even more, so the Desolations are truly over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 We know it's possible to unsplinter a Shard, but we don't know how this may be do. Rememeber that Honor's Splinter is quite in every Sentient Spren on the whole Roshar. As the previous post said I don't think we will find another Ascension in SA (or at least not Honor) and in the end, I think we may lost Roshar for true this time...it will be a brave choice but I may see Mister. Sanderson to do this for the sake of the story. PS: you forget on Roshar there are another unsplintered Shard who may oppose to Odium, Cultivation is there. Maybe she isn't an Humanity friend but I think she doesn't want to die either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nervousnerd Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 16 hours ago, Yata said: We know it's possible to unsplinter a Shard, but we don't know how this may be do. Rememeber that Honor's Splinter is quite in every Sentient Spren on the whole Roshar. As the previous post said I don't think we will find another Ascension in SA (or at least not Honor) and in the end, I think we may lost Roshar for true this time...it will be a brave choice but I may see Mister. Sanderson to do this for the sake of the story. PS: you forget on Roshar there are another unsplintered Shard who may oppose to Odium, Cultivation is there. Maybe she isn't an Humanity friend but I think she doesn't want to die either But some of these spren where around where around when Honor was still alive. I'm still not sure I see the shard unsplintering anytime soon but it wouldn't necessarily have to take back every one of those spren to do it. I'm not sure that Cultivation is not a friend to humans. But rather her intent may not allow her to face Odium in any visible way. We do not really know what effects Cultivation has had in regards to humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesleepsalot Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 On 8/26/2016 at 10:23 PM, Djarskublar said: While I can't disprove you in any way, there is one problem. We already had the 'ascend to godhood to beat the enemy god' story. It's called HoA. I don't think he will recycle that plot. Non cosmere aware people will be like hey wait, you already did this... Boring. I dunno, I disagree with this being a boring plot point..... and it would still be unique.... my thought process on that: Preservation wasn't shattered or splintered ---- we've never seen a shard of adonalsium unsplinter and I think this would be an outstanding story. Sure, we all know what happened in HoA but the dude you're referring to was an unwilling hero. Compare that to Kaladin; in my personal opinion I think Kaladin will become the most lethal investiture-using human in the cosmere. He's honor-driven and his skill at fighting is second to none. He beat Szeth with minimal practice at surgebinding, I'm pretty sure with the 4th ideal spoken Kaladin could kill anyone we've met (minus shard holders or someone like hoid who's probably got power from all 16 shards)... to include Denth, Vasher, anyone in Stormlight minus the pre-betrayal Heralds, kelsier, anyone in Elantris... the only exception I see is Vin. If fight scenes in the cosmere were a movie, and the dramatic effects and motives of those fight scenes were a food, the Kaladin's scenes are like gladiator/braveheart/saving private Ryan with a $500 meal. Nothing else in the cosmere is as moving as the when Kaladin is saving someone on an epic scale. (My opinion lol). Kaladin acting as honors champion against odium is extremely fitting. What better person to ram a blade into odium than him? (For any Tolkien nerds, google search "Dagor Dagorath".... future tense Armageddon equivalent where Turin Turambar rams his blade through morgoths heart at the end of the world....fitting since morgoth personally singled him out with a curse).... that's how I picture odium falling.... at the hands of kaladin, with help from all the behind the scenes characters side note..... the English breakdown can be read either way.... odium appoints champion or honor appoints champion. Sentence structure is ambiguous as either way is correct.... WOB? Besides, who would odium appoint as a champion? And who then would fight that champion? The 10 "insane heralds"? Questions questions!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djarskublar Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Umm... necro from almost a year ago? Why? Second, Kal isn't that tough, he is a dime a dozen Knight with more talent for combat than most. There are a ton of ways to beat him. First of which is to run away until he runs out of power. He won't be dangerous until he gets Plate, and even then he still won't be that amazing. Someone holding the Bands would beat him in a moment. And a well prepared Elantrian can't be beaten. They can touch pre-existing Aons to activate them, which means they can use on demand spells of any type with the right preparations. An Elantrian on their home turf with even a couple minutes to prepare is a force not to be ignored by anybody. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanderson-Savant Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 I agree that with whilst kaladin is a great soldier with great potential, in a universe of people like compounders and others, he is far from the most powerful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Setting aside the pointless necro, yeah, he's a great character but Kaladin isn't anywhere near the top of the list of powerful characters. Brandon's been asked various 'who beats who' questions and while his most common answer is some variety of 'it depends' he's pretty consistent about putting Kelsier near the top of the list because the man just does not fight fair. To get directly to the point, these questions include hypothetical Kelsier/Kaladin matchups (Kelsier wins), Vin/Kaladin (Vin wins) and generic Mistborn/Szeth, who has most of the same powerset as Kaladin (the Mistborn will usually win). And his Oaths actually make him a lot less effective than many of the ridiculously powerful Investiture-users precisely because he's somewhat constrained in how he uses those powers if he wants to keep them. And on the other point that we've never seen a Shard un-splinter, we've already got Devotion and Dominion as possible candidates for that to happen and there's no particular reason that Honor reforming has to be done (if at all) within the context of Stormlight Archive itself. If Brandon wants to do that within a book as opposed to leaving it sort of offscreen, doing it with the Shards on Sel would be narratively more satisfying since it wouldn't be the same as what we already saw (in the most important details) in Mistborn. Honor could just as easily be reformed as a whole Shard between SA 10 and Era 4 Mistborn as during SA itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironeyes Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 We haven't seen a Dustbringer in action yet either. I'm willing to bet they take the cake for pure destructive potential, as far as KR orders go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erandeni Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 20 hours ago, Weltall said: Vin/Kaladin (Vin wins) Well, acording with this WoB, it would depend if their are in a battlefield, but I agree with you that Kaladin isn't near the level of the most powerful characters. Besides, if someone would be the champion against Odium I can't imagine Dalinar stepping aside and letting someone else do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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