Assassin in Burgundy Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) I'm wondering what everyone else thinks. After reading the Coppermine on Dustbringers, I've definitely switched from Edgedancers to Dustbringers. They can turn off friction and set stuff on fire. Edited July 20, 2016 by Assassin in Burgundy Changed my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody153 Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Windrunners seem to be the "Honor" radiants with all the do the right thing, leadership, trust and stuff. On the other hand i like skybreakers the most, they are designed to keep watch of the other radiants and also they own the skies as well like windrunners. Suffice to say i just like the radiants who can do the surge of gravitation. Edited July 17, 2016 by goody153 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zodiac Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Skybreakers are the best! Imagine a version of Kaladin who isn't bound by any rules. That certainly would have helped in the second book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 42 minutes ago, Patricksinger said: Skybreakers are the best! Imagine a version of Kaladin who isn't bound by any rules. That certainly would have helped in the second book. Skybreakers seem to me as the very stormin' essence of following rules. Also - Kaladin as a skybreaker wouldn't end good, Kaladin would have died of depression. Twice. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goody153 Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Well skybreaker aren't exactly not bound by rules, they pretty much have to uphold laws and do justice thing. But the good thing is the justice part. Skybreakers are practically windrunners that have a license to kill people as long as it lines up with the peacekeeping/policing role which means eels like Sadeas or Amaram might be dead by now if Kaladin is a Skybreaker intead of a windrunner. So the surge of gravitation is not wasted upon honorable ones who can't cross the line even when necessary. Though i could see kaladin working out well as a skybreaker with all his grudges and stuff but him being a windrunner is cooler. Edited July 17, 2016 by goody153 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 1 hour ago, goody153 said: Well skybreaker aren't exactly not bound by rules, they pretty much have to uphold laws and do justice thing. But the good thing is the justice part. Skybreakers are practically windrunners that have a license to kill people as long as it lines up with the peacekeeping/policing role which means eels like Sadeas or Amaram might be dead by now if Kaladin is a Skybreaker intead of a windrunner. So the surge of gravitation is not wasted upon honorable ones who can't cross the line even when necessary. Though i could see kaladin working out well as a skybreaker with all his grudges and stuff but him being a windrunner is cooler. I doubt Sadeas would land on the Skybreaker kill list since he technically did nothin unlawfull. The Windrunners woul've been even closer to killing Sadeas, since he did a long list of things which werew strictly wrong; and for Windrunners matters ony what is right and not the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) Personally Elsecaller is the one for me. Teleportation and transformation. Never need to drive, and have a statue garden of my enemies lol. (that and ivory just seems badass) Edited July 18, 2016 by Pathfinder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djammmer Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) Elsecaller for me too. We've seen Jasnah's powers so little "on screen." She's likely the most experienced w/ her powers, as she's been using them the longest - and studied from the WoR (before giving the book to Shallan.) We know she's already super familiar with shadesmar. And we saw her "diamond-fy" a thief. I can't wait to see what she can do "on screen" with her powers. Edited July 19, 2016 by djammmer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulcastJam Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 On 7/17/2016 at 7:48 AM, Alfa said: I doubt Sadeas would land on the Skybreaker kill list since he technically did nothin unlawfull. The Windrunners woul've been even closer to killing Sadeas, since he did a long list of things which werew strictly wrong; and for Windrunners matters ony what is right and not the law. Ummm... Sadeas did do unlawful things. For example, he went on plateau runs that he was forbidden to go on by the rotation set up by the high prince of war. I'm really not sure how darkness justifies killing the people he does, but any technicality in the law that allows it to be a punishment for the crime seems to be the way he is going. I'm convinced he could find justification for killing someone based on almost any medium to large infraction of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Just now, soulcastJam said: I'm convinced he could find justification for killing someone based on almost any medium to large infraction of the law. From what little we know of Nalan I think he follows the letter of the law of whatever land his victim is residing in with exactness. So, the person he is hunting would have to have committed a crime that is punishable by death and then Nalan would fulfill whatever requirements the legal system in that area has. In the case of Ym I wonder how he got a warrant to kill him in the streets like that. Hm, a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vander Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Ugh, Windrunners... Jk. But yeah, I pretty much love Skybreakers. Their ethos- what little we've heard of it- sounds pretty damnation badass, and division sounds so much more useful than adhesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 On 7/19/2016 at 7:34 PM, CaptainRyan said: From what little we know of Nalan I think he follows the letter of the law of whatever land his victim is residing in with exactness. So, the person he is hunting would have to have committed a crime that is punishable by death and then Nalan would fulfill whatever requirements the legal system in that area has. In the case of Ym I wonder how he got a warrant to kill him in the streets like that. Hm, a mystery. Well here's a question regarding that then with Lift. So we assume her past crimes are theft, though as far as we know there could be one that was worse to warrant a death sentence and Nale seems to have been pursuing her for a relative amount of time (prior to when we meet her). However where this gets murky is when we meet her, is her first visit to that land, so her only crime there would be breaking and entering and stealing food. Now that, depending on the country could lead to a death sentence, of which her friend pardons when he becomes the new ruler. Thing is, darkness had been already pursuing her at that point, for a past crime. This leads to the question that does that pardon, automatically pardon her for every other crime she ever committed in every other country? There are very very very few instances where the court of one country could pardon the offense made in another country, and even then you need the other country's approval to do so. Yet in Lift's case, by the shear nature of the pardon, she is saved from death by Nale, absolving her of all crime. He assumes of course she will commit new crimes so he will come for her later, but that still leaves that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I don't think we have enough information yet for me to have a favorite order. For example, what can Truthwatchers and Bondsmiths do? Do we have any idea, going into Oathbreaker, what kind of stuff we'll be seeing Dalinar do with his powers? Renarin was seeing the future somehow. What's the deal with that? It's probably the "something extra" granted by the combination of his Surges, but it's still a big mystery. Are all the Truthwatchers going to be able to see the future, or is the "something extra" an individual thing (or is the future sight not even that something extra at all)? Beyond that, it's clear that people of particular temperaments tend to fall into particular Orders, so I'm sure the personalities of the various Knights will strongly influence which Order shakes out to be whose favorite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, DSC01 said: I don't think we have enough information yet for me to have a favorite order. For example, what can Truthwatchers and Bondsmiths do? Do we have any idea, going into Oathbreaker, what kind of stuff we'll be seeing Dalinar do with his powers? Renarin was seeing the future somehow. What's the deal with that? It's probably the "something extra" granted by the combination of his Surges, but it's still a big mystery. Are all the Truthwatchers going to be able to see the future, or is the "something extra" an individual thing (or is the future sight not even that something extra at all)? Beyond that, it's clear that people of particular temperaments tend to fall into particular Orders, so I'm sure the personalities of the various Knights will strongly influence which Order shakes out to be whose favorite. Well, the Bondsmith Surges are Adhesion, like a Full Lashing, and Tension, which can alter the stiffness of an object to make it rubbery or super-hard. Truthwatchers have Progression, which contains Growth and Regrowth, and Illumination, which is nearly identical to Lightweaving. I got this from the Coppermind, but there's probably still some powers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Assassin in Burgundy said: Well, the Bondsmith Surges are Adhesion, like a Full Lashing, and Tension, which can alter the stiffness of an object to make it rubbery or super-hard. Truthwatchers have Progression, which contains Growth and Regrowth, and Illumination, which is nearly identical to Lightweaving. I got this from the Coppermind, but there's probably still some powers out there. Well, we can imagine how the Surges we haven't seen in action are going to work, but we don't really know how it will work out in practice. Based on the descriptions of how Kaladin and Szeth viewed their Windrunning abilities, they kind of thought of their Lashings as variations of the same thing, even though two different Surges are involved. So when Bondsmiths work with Adhesion, is it going to seem like something different--especially if it interacts with Tension uniquely? The speculation on the Coppermind seems to not be following your line of thought on how Tension is going to work at all. That's not to say that you're wrong, but it's at least very uncertain how these Surges are going to turn out when we see them on the page. Stonewards are in the same boat, with even more ambiguity as to how their Surges will work. It looks like a lot of people are thinking that both Stonewards and Bondsmiths are going to have some abilities that are similar to those of Scadrian Lurchers, so that's a very different direction for Tension-based powers to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Technomancer Stonewards would be my favorites, so I'm hoping they're able to do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Patrick Star said: Technomancer Stonewards would be my favorites, so I'm hoping they're able to do that Technomancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Assassin in Burgundy said: Technomancer? Stonewards have tension+cohesion. The thought is that they'd basically be able to transmute materials on a very fine level, essentially giving the ability to rapidly create new tech. I just love the idea of technomancy, and outside of basically Iron Man (he sort of qualifies), there really haven't been many good representations put out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin in Burgundy Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Just now, Patrick Star said: Stonewards have tension+cohesion. The thought is that they'd basically be able to transmute materials on a very fine level, essentially giving the ability to rapidly create new tech. I just love the idea of technomancy, and outside of basically Iron Man (he sort of qualifies), there really haven't been many good representations put out there. Oh okay, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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