The Rooster he/him Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Here's a thing I just thunk. What if the key to surviving the coming desolation won't be winning, but just maintaining the status quo and keeping the oath pact. Therefor I postulate the Heralds Must Die! (thus the church hymn pun title). Alright guys tear it apart! I think this one will spark a good conversation. My suggestion is killing Nalan first. He seems like a jerk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aoibheann she/her Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I've been thinking that the nine Heralds are now the Nine Fools. It would be better to convert them back to Heralds, but if they are more for the enemy than not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysty she/her Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I've been thinking that the nine Heralds are now the Nine Fools. It would be better to convert them back to Heralds, but if they are more for the enemy than not... One problem with that, there were ten fools, not nine. Or at least that is what Vorin tradition says... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Here's a thing I just thunk. What if the key to surviving the coming desolation won't be winning, but just maintaining the status quo and keeping the oath pact. Therefor I postulate the Heralds Must Die! (thus the church hymn pun title). Alright guys tear it apart! I think this one will spark a good conversation. My suggestion is killing Nalan first. He seems like a jerk. It has long been my opinion that we the chaff needs to be hunted down and replaced with our favorite POV characters. I'm signed on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I, too, favor the view that Honor (and by extension his Heralds) were incredibly incompetent. There are two Shards on Roshar, and they couldn't force back Odium? Obviously (sarcasm ho!) it's Honor's philosophy that is holding them back. Destination before Journey! Let the Knights Utilitarian form with Taravangian at their head! Less flashy, but more effective. Edited January 20, 2014 by Moogle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rooster he/him Posted January 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I, too, favor the view that Honor (and by extension his Heralds) were incredibly incompetent. There are two Shards on Roshar, and they couldn't force back Odium? Obviously (sarcasm ho!) it's Honor's philosophy that is holding them back. Destination before Journey! Let the Knights Utilitarian form with Taravangian at their head! Less flashy, but more effective. More like desolation before gurney. Hahaha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havon Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 I think new champions (heralds are honors champs that fight odium's unmade champs) have to be chosen because the old ones (except Taln) threw up deuces. I'm guessing Kaladin and Adolin will be champs and get nifty honorblades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delightful Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 One problem with that, there were ten fools, not nine. Or at least that is what Vorin tradition says... There were also 10 Heralds.....do we know either way if Heralds = Fools? I'd say if the Oathpact is broken, there's trust broken somewhere, and it's probably not nearly as simple as just re-starting the Oathpact. Especially if it requires the Heralds to agree to go back to torture between Desolations. Unless there are new Heralds who could be tricked into it.....maybe the Heralds are Fools for agreeing to the Oathpact or something? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyzkle he/him Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Before seeing how twisted the heralds have become (I assume) I actually believed that the ten fools were invented by Vorin tradition to provide an allegory for bad behaviors. Given the lack of importance placed on them, I'd doubt they're really part of Vorin canon, more like folklore that's been attached over the years to flesh out morality. Pure Vorinism doesn't really define "Bad" behaviors because the evil is in the voidbringers and the desolation and good is in the Heralds and men. The ten fools seem more like a catch-all for people who do something stupid, but not necessarily evil. That being said, I don't think it could have arisen from the fallen Heralds. After breaking the Oathpact they went their separate ways, so no one should have lumped their behaviors back together as "ten fools". Also, there's the fact the "Herald" is always capitalized, but "fool" never is, and there are only 9 Heralds left on Roshar, but they still say "ten fools". On the original question, I don't think that it's enough to let the Heralds die. I think at one point the phrasing was "the Oathpact has been shattered", which implies that it can't simply be restarted. Even if they were to die, that wouldn't mean the Oathpact has been remade, just as sending somebody a check doesn't mean you own their house. I belive that there are currently two options: they can either remake the Oathpact, or they can try to defeat Odium. If they try to remake the Oathpact, I agree with Bloodfalcon that the Heralds will be replaced with POV characters, but it may not be possible without Honor. In this case, they would have to defeat Odium directly. I don't yet see how they could do this, but I have a hunch that it will involve Harmony and probably more than a few other shardworlds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18th Shard he/him Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Upvote for the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havon Posted January 21, 2014 Report Share Posted January 21, 2014 Wild speculation: Honor's shard of godliness has been shattered so it has to be remade in order for a binding oath pact to be made between Honor and Odium. So I'm guessing Dalinar will take up said mantle after he dies (Kelsier apparently took up Preservation's mantle posthumously) reforming said oathpact. Also, I think the honor spren are Honor's shattered mantle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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