Bowiespoon he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) Would a seeker (bronze) be able to detect someone, say, holding stormlight? ANSWERED (kinda) - http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/45901-shadows-of-self-byu-midnight-signing/#entry336901 stumbled across it upon my bizarre trek through the internet Would a smoker be able to hide said person? would nicrosil or chromium even be compatable with something like stormlight? How would it react to an elantrian? Could I destroy(or supercharge) shardblades or spren with these metals? in usage toward another magic system, how does chromium vary from aluminum? Could Soothing be counteracted by the restless state someone enters when holding stormlight? oh, and my personal favorite: If I somehow managed to swallow a shardblade.... or a piece of shardplate (probably easier) and I was a mistborn, could I burn it? If so, would that enable me to use the powers of a radiant corresponding to the type of radiant the sword belonged to? side note: why is it that shardplate can break but not a shardblade? Edited March 4, 2016 by Bowiespoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopen he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I don't have any answers but nice questions. I wonder if Kaladin wouldn't be able to use his powers on aluminum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emailanimal he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) For you to be able to burn a Shardblade or Shardplate, it must be made out of one of the 16 allomantic metals, must be one of the known Godmetals, or one of the Godmetal alloys. Shardblade is a solid form of a spren. I am not certain this qualifies as an allomantic metal. Shardplate - we don't know what it is made out of. We know that Honor should have a solid form, but given that nothing on Roshar revolves specifically around metals, it is not clear that Honor's solid form is a Godmetal. Can be a Godstone, or a Godtree (although the latter is more of a Cultivation thing). So I think burning the implements of Knights Radiant is not a thing. Shardplate can break because it is neither a dead former Nahel-bond-holding spren, nor it is it a live Nahel bond-holding spren. We have not yet seen what it actually is, but given that Shardplate shows other properties different than Shardblades - it does not disappear and reappear, it breaks and regrows, it adjusts its form to the body shape of the holder - it is made out of a different substance. Edited March 4, 2016 by emailanimal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I would question you on the matter of Shardplate not appearing and disappearing, because when Radiants used it in the visions the helm clearly pops out of nowhere and vanishes. Definitely a different substance though. For the record, mist is not a metal and can be burned simply because it came from Preservation. And while Preservation is certainly better at powering allomancy he's not the only one who can. God metals are of the unique position of powering directly while serving as the catalyst, unlike the base 16 that provide no power. If it's metal and made from shardic investiture it's not unlikely to work regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I think it'd be awesome to flare tin while being on the 10th level of awakening WHILE hosting a mouth full of stormlight AND being rioted And being in a cadium slowing bubble. That's how you travel to Shadesmar for a good time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Or you can just elsecall into it or dive into a Perpendicularity like a sane individual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Or you can just elsecall into it or dive into a Perpendicularity like a sane individual. But I want to really study the place not just get their. That level of perception my eyes are like electron microscopes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 . . . well metallic arts won't really function in a realm with no physical metal to speak of unless you actually send your whole body there with some. If at all possible. Most of those things wouldn't even get you any closer to the cognitive in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 . . . well metallic arts won't really function in a realm with no physical metal to speak of unless you actually send your whole body there with some. If at all possible. Most of those things wouldn't even get you any closer to the cognitive in the first place. you burn the metal before you soulcast over so your casted self is effected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 And then the metal stops. It's questionable if human senses even work the same way in a realm presumably devoid of normal matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 And then the metal stops. It's questionable if human senses even work the same way in a realm presumably devoid of normal matter. so if you were really drunk and went to shadesmar you'd be sober? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 What do senses have to do with being drunk? It's all alcohol and your brain. If anything the cognitive realm is probably the one place where consciousness works as one would expect. It's made of thought and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 What do senses have to do with being drunk? It's all alcohol and your brain. If anything the cognitive realm is probably the one place where consciousness works as one would expect. It's made of thought and all. every sense is just your brain. sight is your eve balls and your brain, taste is your mouth and your brain, hearing is your hears and your brain. so if you burnt the metals in your body while in shadesmar I don't see why they wouldn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Does tin allomancy affect vision based on light sensitivity of your eyes? Does the cognitive realm even have "light" in the same sense, and where would it even be coming from when you've got the strangeness that is backwards shadows going on? Objects made of matter can be brought in and out, but do they look the same because everyone thinks they should, or because they're still made of atoms (which allomancy hinges on). It's it's how perception functions in what is essentially an entirely virtual space that I'm stuck on here. I'd like to know what would happen in your situation either way, it would be satisfying. But what allomancy would do without physical existence is an important question, especially when we've never seen anyone use magic we're familiar with in any cognitive realm scenes, beyond those that are specifically designed to interact with that realm. To begin with, this began with me wondering while you would need to do all of that to get there instead of the simple approach, but then a tangent occurred and I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 well.......outside of the cognitive realm in the physical realm it'd be cool to flare tin while holding stormlight and be a 10th awakening person while watching a laser show set to Pink Floyd music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) That would probably look a bit awesome, if somewhat seizure-inducing, yes. Though actually the color aura would be distracting. All surrounding white turning rainbow and all that. Edited March 4, 2016 by natc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I don't know about storm light but the lecher in The Ghastly Gondola in Bom is able to temporarily leach the the power from the strange (ghost launching) pistol witch she later describes as certainly something of another world neither feruchemical nor allomantic so the chances seem good that leaching works on other forms of Kinetic Investiture 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 I find that story funny. Scadrial just got motorcars and aluminum is still expensive; they have energy blasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) I find that story funny. Scadrial just got motorcars and aluminum is still expensive; they have energy blasters. I am of the belief that the guy with the "energy blaster" is not a native Scadrialian so in my opinion at least, they don't have those yet. Edited March 4, 2016 by Pathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emailanimal he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 For the record, mist is not a metal and can be burned simply because it came from Preservation. And while Preservation is certainly better at powering allomancy he's not the only one who can. God metals are of the unique position of powering directly while serving as the catalyst, unlike the base 16 that provide no power. If it's metal and made from shardic investiture it's not unlikely to work regardless. I keep trying to point out that there is absolutely no reason for Honor's solid form to be a metal, and there are all the reasons for Honor's solid form to be a stone or something similar. The question of whether one can burn a Shardblade is no different than the question of whether one can take a bite of Vasher's flesh and burn it (outside of the iron in Vasher's blood, that is). Or munch on any colored object from Nalthis - after all - it bears some Investiture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 They're gods, and god metals aren't even new elements. They could honestly solidify themselves as whatever they want, in my opinion. Vasher is an invested normal object. There's nothing special about his flesh at all, realmatically, and for all we know it's probably possible to hack allomancy in order to burn breath. That's not even remotely a good comparison to a sword made out of a splinter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) I don't have any answers but nice questions. I wonder if Kaladin wouldn't be able to use his powers on aluminum? Aluminium should have similar effects on all investiture, IIRC there was a WoB on that. We've seen Silver, which is also allomantically inert, doing interesting things to Cognitive Shadows on Threnody. I am of the belief that the guy with the "energy blaster" is not a native Scadrialian so in my opinion at least, they don't have those yet. If you pay careful attention to all of the extras, you can figure out that he is in fact Nazh, Khriss' assistant. Nazh is from Threnody originally, but we know he's worldhopped a lot. Edited March 7, 2016 by Ari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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