Vortaan he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Throwing open the doors to rampant speculation on where Marsh is. We know he is at least somewhat interested in the Set, but it's been at least a year since Marasi talked to him. So where is he? It seems like Wax's recent troubles would've been a lot easier with Marsh by his side than MeLaan or TenSoon
Pathfinder Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Throwing open the doors to rampant speculation on where Marsh is. We know he is at least somewhat interested in the Set, but it's been at least a year since Marasi talked to him. So where is he? It seems like Wax's recent troubles would've been a lot easier with Marsh by his side than MeLaan or TenSoon There was a WoB that he was by the southern scadrialians during shadows of self which is why he couldn't help with Bleeder. As to where he is at the time of Bands of Mourning, I haven't a clue.
junior Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 I suspect that he'll be *very* interested in the coppermind that Hoid gave Wax, assuming he finds out about it.
Vortaan he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Author Posted February 4, 2016 There was a WoB that he was by the southern scadrialians during shadows of self which is why he couldn't help with Bleeder. As to where he is at the time of Bands of Mourning, I haven't a clue. I missed that WoB. That's interesting, that probably puts him down there around the same time the expedition left to retrieve the Bands of Mourning. Man someone really needed to mention Ironeyes during the interactions with Alik's people...
Orsium he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 I don't know. My personal opinion is that S=K is too obvious. Too clean. I think that Marsh is actually Sovereign. The one eye spike thing is kinda what is tipping me over the edge. I know it is implied that Marsh appeared at the end of AoL with both spikes, but I don't think that was him. Ruin knew where the pits were, is it that much of a stretch to think that Ruin sent him into the pits to look for any Atium that Kelsier missed? Marsh even commented at one point that he had lots of injuries from when he was being controlled by Him. And even if it wasn't during when Ruin had control, its been 300 years. You think Marsh NEVER went back to the pits to check? I'm maintaining that S=M.
Pathfinder Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 I don't know. My personal opinion is that S=K is too obvious. Too clean. I think that Marsh is actually Sovereign. The one eye spike thing is kinda what is tipping me over the edge. I know it is implied that Marsh appeared at the end of AoL with both spikes, but I don't think that was him. Ruin knew where the pits were, is it that much of a stretch to think that Ruin sent him into the pits to look for any Atium that Kelsier missed? Marsh even commented at one point that he had lots of injuries from when he was being controlled by Him. And even if it wasn't during when Ruin had control, its been 300 years. You think Marsh NEVER went back to the pits to check? I'm maintaining that S=M. Can I ask why do you think that wasn't Marsh at the end of AoL? Just curious to understand your perspective better. 1
Orsium he/him Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Well...just got home and checked out the end of AoL again. A couple of things I noticed. No names were ever dropped, just a reference to "my brothers work." The eye tattoos and one of the sockets being crushed leads me to think it IS actually Marsh. I retract that part of my theory. I still think that Sovereign is Marsh rather that Kelsier, though. Ironeyes is wearing a robe in the end of AoL, you never see his arms, just hs hands and his face. So he could be scarred. Plus it is heavily implied that the memory in the end of BoM is very old. He could have gotten another eye spike in the intervening years. I'm going to the Calamity signing in Seattle in a week and a half. I gotta figure out good question that wont get RAFO'd. Maybe something along the lines of "How long after Harmony ascended is the memory at the end of BoM, and when did Marsh replace his eye spike in reference to that." EDIT: Thought of a better question. Did Marsh ever visit the Pits of Hathsin looking for atium after he became an inquisitor. Edited February 5, 2016 by Orsium
Pathfinder Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Well...just got home and checked out the end of AoL again. A couple of things I noticed. No names were ever dropped, just a reference to "my brothers work." The eye tattoos and one of the sockets being crushed leads me to think it IS actually Marsh. I retract that part of my theory. I still think that Sovereign is Marsh rather that Kelsier, though. Ironeyes is wearing a robe in the end of AoL, you never see his arms, just hs hands and his face. So he could be scarred. Plus it is heavily implied that the memory in the end of BoM is very old. He could have gotten another eye spike in the intervening years. I'm going to the Calamity signing in Seattle in a week and a half. I gotta figure out good question that wont get RAFO'd. Maybe something along the lines of "How long after Harmony ascended is the memory at the end of BoM, and when did Marsh replace his eye spike in reference to that." EDIT: Thought of a better question. Did Marsh ever visit the Pits of Hathsin looking for atium after he became an inquisitor. Your original question might be better, because I believe (don't quote me on this though), that there is a WoB that the pits of Hathsin since the ascension are no more. Now when I say that, as we see in the Wax and Wayne series, Wax does walk through the pits, but they aren't the atium producers they were, and any geodes that were there, had been shattered by Kelsier before he "died". But I am bad at searching for WoB, so I could be remembering incorrectly. Edited February 5, 2016 by Pathfinder
Orsium he/him Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Hmm...I know what you're referring to, and yes, he did say that the "small pools are no longer there." But the sharp rocks that would cause the scars should still be there if he did go digging, right? Whether or not Ruin made him go or he did it on his own after Sazed ascended. IDK, either question I think could be telling in how he answers. Ahhhh it's so hard deciding. Everyone feel free to make suggestions to polish the question. BTW, in looking that up I confirmed that Ironeyes IS Marsh according to Brandon. So I spoke too soon on that part. I don't know how to link, copy/paste isn't working, but if you go to the Interview database and click on "atium" it'll take you to what I was looking at.
Pathfinder Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Hmm...I know what you're referring to, and yes, he did say that the "small pools are no longer there." But the sharp rocks that would cause the scars should still be there if he did go digging, right? Whether or not Ruin made him go or he did it on his own after Sazed ascended. IDK, either question I think could be telling in how he answers. Ahhhh it's so hard deciding. Everyone feel free to make suggestions to polish the question. BTW, in looking that up I confirmed that Ironeyes IS Marsh according to Brandon. So I spoke too soon on that part. I don't know how to link, copy/paste isn't working, but if you go to the Interview database and click on "atium" it'll take you to what I was looking at. Oh your question is to see if he got the scars, I misunderstood that the question was whether or not he was going there for the atium. My bad!
The Sovereign Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 People should ask more questions pertaining to Marsh... it is relevant to my interest so to speak... Relevant WOBs: Marsh's activity during SoS: Interview: Nov 29th, 2014 Idaho Falls Signing Report - ProfessionalLurker (Paraphrased) ProfessionalLurkerWhere's Marsh? Brandon Sanderson (Paraphrased)Investigating the Southern Continent of Scadrial Confimation that Iron Eyes is Marsh: Interview: Dec 17th, 2011 Alloy of Law Signing Report - Zas (Paraphrased) Brandon SandersonThe Inquisitor at the end is indeed Marsh. He stayed alive using the same trick that TLR used.
Orsium he/him Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Pathfinder: No worries, yeah I am trying to figure out if there is the possibility that Marsh had scars from the pits somehow, we know he didn't when he was human, but could he have gotten them in between becoming an inquisitor and where we are now in the books. I REALLY think that Sovereign is Marsh rather that Kelsier. Iron Eyes: Marsh is one of my favorite characters, so yeah. Glad you approve.
Vortaan he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Author Posted February 6, 2016 People should ask more questions pertaining to Marsh... it is relevant to my interest so to speak... Relevant WOBs: Marsh's activity during SoS: Confimation that Iron Eyes is Marsh: A good question to ask relating to Marsh's activities: has he been off Scadrial yet? Also, do we have any kind of confirmation that he is working directly for Harmony, like the kandra are?
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