jasenerd Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 I don't see why the investiture being from you matters. Being a savant is done by holding Investiture, any Investiture, even if it comes from you, for a long period of time. So, ANY Investure(Especially things like Awakening and Surgebinding) can make you a savant, if it lets you HOLD Investiture for a long period of time. Which Hemalurgy doesn't but Feruchemy and Allomancy does. Sazed is a Harmony Savant, Ati was a Ruin Savant and Leras was a Preservation Savant, but both Kelsier and Vin aren't Preservation Savants because they didn't hold the shard long enough for it to change them in a significant manner. Miles isn't always burning Gold, FYI, he burns a little gold, get a ton of powers, stores that power and then constantly taps it over a period of time. He doesn't use up the entire burn worth of health everyday, that would waste perfectly fine healing when he really only needs the smallest touch of it. A compounding Savant would be a Feruchemic Savant though..... Because he isn't an Augur Savant, and his Savant abilities are from health(F!Gold) not temporal(A!Gold). It would be a fallacy to claim he is a Compound Savant when all Compounding is, is a burst of the Feruchemical ability. By calling him a Compound Savant, you are, therefore, calling him a Feruchemical Savant because the Invesiture he gains(From Compounding) is /identical/ to the Feruchemical Investiture. But please, if anyone should disagree with me, speak/post about it and lets talk. But please don't fall back on "Well we haven't seen a Feruchemic Savant so they don't exist!". Because the amount of Invesititure needed would require compounding to achieve in any reasonable amount of time. Note: I'm looking for the WoB that states that anyone holding any amount of Investiture will be changed over a large period of time, if someone knows off hand where it is, I would appreciate it.
natc Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Well actually, Rashek, Kelsier, and Vin would all have been slivers . . .
jasenerd Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Well, I stand corrected then. But are your sure about Vin? I could have sworn I saw a WoB that stated that it was explicitly not the case. That's why I came to a lot of conclusions I did so if that was wrong.....
CthulhuSpren Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Bands of Mourning spoiler Didn't telsin heal from a shotgun blast, but i can't remember if it was to the face- and thats from hemalurgy (I think, i don't recall it being revealed what her feruchemical power was).
Pathfinder Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Bands of Mourning spoiler Didn't telsin heal from a shotgun blast, but i can't remember if it was to the face- and thats from hemalurgy (I think, i don't recall it being revealed what her feruchemical power was). You are correct right in the face. Hemalurgy is less efficient than regular feruchemy, and this was not even compounding
mattig89ch he/him Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I thought he said he had missed her face intentionally to wax. 1
Pathfinder Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I thought he said he had missed her face intentionally to wax. out of curiosity i checked and.... nope. the way he "spared" her for wax, was because he noticed the golden under her sleeve, so wayne deduced she could probably heal from it, and thought wax would give her another chance, so he chose not to remove the metal minds and let her heal.
natc Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 If you expect it and could tap fast enough, it should always work. The problem os wastefulness if the timing was off. Miles could just tap that quickly 24/7 due to his absurd compounded stores and thus has nothing to worry about. The pain is a different concern though.
jasenerd Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 As someone who doesn't want to be spoiled, did they disprove my point? Just a yes or no please....
jasenerd Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Q: Can you compound metalminds to the point you beome like a savant?A: A savant happens because persistent use of the power has an affect on your soul, warping it. Compounding is a very different thing. So while you could draw some very powerful effects, I would not call them the same thing even if they are imitating each other at certain points. So I found this WoB. It directly states that you cannot be a Compounding Savant, but I /think/ it implies that savantism isn't unique to Allomancy, just that compounding interferes with Savantism. That and that the Compounding equivalent in any given Investiture will have it's own name. Of course, I might be reading to far into it. Thoughts?
mattig89ch he/him Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) As someone who doesn't want to be spoiled, did they disprove my point? Just a yes or no please.... Maybe, someone did heal from a grievous wound using stored health... Edit: and they weren't a savant, at least not as far as I can tell. Edited February 12, 2016 by mattig89ch
CthulhuSpren Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 for the pain factor, in Bands Of Mourning Wayne says pain and he are old friends, showing that he does feel it just for a recent update on a normal bloodmaker's pain capacity
jasenerd Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Edit: Reread my post, realized it didn't help and took it down. Sorry for that. Edited March 4, 2016 by jasenerd 1
IndigoAjah he/him Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Or maybe it's his perk? again, why so quick to rule that out? Isn't the perk an interaction between the two abilities? I don't see how the Allomatic Gold has an influence on his pain or lack thereof. And it's easily explained by his healing alone: pain is the body's indicator of damage to make you avoid harm in the future or protect the damaged body part or get away from the damaging stimulus or at least know something is wrong. Miles' body has no need of this whatsoever and may heal so quickly that the damage doesn't register for long enough to be interpreted as pain by Miles' brain. Miles doesn't have pain because he doesn't need it, in my opinion. I'd also say that for all homogenous Twinborn, their perk is inherently Compounding and the effects of that.
natc Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 . . . that's not a perk though. That's just compounding. The simplest magic hack in the cosmere we know of. A perk would be something like the mnemonic abilities of lightweavers (what does that have to do with Transformation/soulcasting and Illumination/waveforms?). Something separate from the powers themselves, relatively more minor, but there.
Necromancer he/him Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Pewter savants stop feeling pain. I suspect Miles has a similar thing going on, since he's continually taking in health. But it's not inconceivable that it's a perk. We don't really know what those are/do. Didn't Miles used to feel pain? Do you always have your perk, or do you only get it after using your powers enough? Questions, questions... I agree with this idea, like how Spook had to flare tin for a year before he got his savant-type ability. Perhaps healing for so long with no breaks gives a lack of feeling any pain, but it would be really rare because you'd have to be born with the right combination of powers to heal continuously all the time.
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