My take on 2 theories: Investiture being passed down genetically and Odium corrupting spren to take away shards from KR

[Tybou_14]

There are two things I would like to discuss and one involves my take on DocHolidays theory on Investiture being passed down genetically.  The other one is my take on a Punters theory that Odium corrupted Honor spren to separate KR from their weapons. 

 

My opinion is that lighteyes are descendants of KR. However i do not believe that the investiture is genetic.

 

Spren according to Jasnah via sample chapter of WoR  are ideals of mankind given sentience. Now it seems Honor has it set up to where spren are attracted to these potential KR and when together allows them to access the investiture (at least around times of desolation). When the KR abandoned their shards and stopped glowing they also abandoned their spren and power.  Therefore if they abandoned their power they wouldn't be able to pass it down.

 

So basically what i'm saying is that while the powers were abandoned maybe the lighteyes associated with being a KR stayed with them and were passed down from generation to generation.  As the years pass the exact reason lighteyes are 'better' is forgotten but it is still believed to be the truth that they are.

 

My take on Punters theory is that while Odium would probably be strong enough to corrupt spren in some way but i doubt he did.

 

I think Odium prefers brute force over more subtle means. I think Syl seems honest enough in most cases and that the reason she doesn't like the shardblades is because of two possible reasons. 

 

1- It reminds her of the betrayal that all spren are angry about (according to Jasnah in the WoR sample chapter)

2- because the shards were used for the wrong reasons after they were abandoned.

 

That being said i believe that maybe new shards will be developed when a KR speaks all the ideals and completes his bond with his spren.

 

 

Tell me what you think!!

 

[Swimmingly he/him]

There are two things I would like to discuss and one involves my take on DocHolidays theory on Investiture being passed down genetically. The other one is my take on a Punters theory that Odium corrupted Honor spren to separate KR from their weapons.

My opinion is that lighteyes are descendants of KR. However i do not believe that the investiture is genetic.

Spren according to Jasnah via sample chapter of WoR are ideals of mankind given sentience. Now it seems Honor has it set up to where spren are attracted to these potential KR and when together allows them to access the investiture (at least around times of desolation). When the KR abandoned their shards and stopped glowing they also abandoned their spren and power. Therefore if they abandoned their power they wouldn't be able to pass it down.

So basically what i'm saying is that while the powers were abandoned maybe the lighteyes associated with being a KR stayed with them and were passed down from generation to generation. As the years pass the exact reason lighteyes are 'better' is forgotten but it is still believed to be the truth that they are.

My take on Punters theory is that while Odium would probably be strong enough to corrupt spren in some way but i doubt he did.

I think Odium prefers brute force over more subtle means. I think Syl seems honest enough in most cases and that the reason she doesn't like the shardblades is because of two possible reasons.

1- It reminds her of the betrayal that all spren are angry about (according to Jasnah in the WoR sample chapter)

2- because the shards were used for the wrong reasons after they were abandoned.

That being said i believe that maybe new shards will be developed when a KR speaks all the ideals and completes his bond with his spren.

Tell me what you think!!

Sure, why not? I think I prefer the idea that Blades are solidified spren or something, but whatever.

[Cromptj he/him]

I think the blades are from the spren. If you read the chapters up on Tor,

Honour is pretty explicit that the KR was not his idea and it was the spren's way of helping. Since that is the case, I thinks it is more than likely that he did not give them shardblades. I posit, or someone else has already thought of this, whatever,, that shardblades cut things purely in the cognitive realm, which is why there is so little resistance. When the object is cut in the cognitive realm, it is cut in the physical realm, like how soulcasters can change things in shadesmar which are then mirrored in the cognitive realm. When the shardblade comes into contact with something sentient, that thing has a presence in shaesmar so it can destroy its mind, but the mind takes the brunt of the blow. Like in Mistborn, the mind of Leras was destroyed to trap Ati, but his body remained and remained in possession of Preservation.

I have no idea if that made sense.

[Tybou_14]

It made sense.  I think you are probably right for the most part. They probably tried to make honor blades but ended up with shardblades.

[Aether he/him]

[spoilerI posit, or someone else has already thought of this, whatever,, that shardblades cut things purely in the cognitive realm, which is why there is so little resistance. When the object is cut in the cognitive realm, it is cut in the physical realm, like how soulcasters can change things in shadesmar which are then mirrored in the cognitive realm.

I agree with your conclusion, that the shards likely did not come from Honour (good catch, by the way), but your premise is wrong. A Shardblades does not touch the Cognitive Realm - or at least not primarily - but cuts into the soul of a person and thus into the Spiritual Realm:

Kurkistan ()

Does a limb that has been "severed" by a Shardblade have any Hemalurgic bindpoints? If the same limb was then cut off more conventionally, would a Bloodmaker ferring be able to grow it back?

Brandon Sanderson

A severed Shardblade limb needs repair to the soul before it would function again. A Bloodmaker would be able to heal it without needing to grow it back.

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