WayneSpren he/him Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 I was wondering how a windrunner can Lash upwards, to the seemingly empty sky. Don't they have to Lash an object? (Like a coinshot Pushes a coin)
DreamEternal Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Lashings work on completely different ways than Iron/Steel. With allomancy, you are appliyng a force on a object like you were physically pushing or pulling it with a long invisible limb. With the surge if Gravitation, the surgebinder does not push anything, he just sticks a lashing to the object and the stormlight does all the work. To put in simply, Wax pushes the floor to launch himself like a catapult threw him. Kaladin durectly lashes himself to the sky, and just flies away. Edited November 19, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern
Rakei Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) As I understand the basic lashing, alters the direction that gravity works on the windrunner or an object. Which means the natural rules of the world bends so long as they hold stormlight/Investiture to affect that change. Edited November 19, 2015 by Rakei 3
DSC01 he/him Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I think some of the confusion is also coming from the way Szeth understands his Lashings as variations on a single thing. He talks about Lashings that involve Gravitation and Lashings that involve Adhesion, which are different from each other, as if they're just different versions of the same powerc. It's interesting that Windrunner Surges are related to each other in such a way that a Surgebinder might think that they're using a single power in different ways, while other orders could never conflate their two Surges. Really, all of the other orders that we have seen in action fit into the latter category. I bet that the Dustbringers, Stonewards, and Bondsmiths all access Surges matched to each other such that they could be similarly confused. And Rakei, yes, that's exactly right. I think it was in something Peter Ahlstrom wrote somewhere. When a Surgebinder lashes themselves to the sky (or a wall or whatever), regular Rosharan gravity no longer has any effect on them. Instead "down" becomes whatever point they've Lashed themselves to. 1
natc Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I doubt the windrunners of old understood enough about gravity and air pressure to know any better when they made the names.
baby he/him Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) I doubt the windrunners of old understood enough about gravity and air pressure to know any better when they made the names. To be fair, the wind runners of now probably know as much as the windrunners of old did about these things. Edited November 20, 2015 by Once-ler
Charononus Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 To be fair, the wind runners of now probably know as much as the windrunners of old did about these things. I don't know. Newton published in 1687 and the barometer was made in 1643 iirc. Roshar has an odd mix of technology. If their surgeons are any indication, I'd say they could probably be in a similar educational point as the this time period of earths history. Now that doesn't mean that any windrunner will know it, but that they could.
natc Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 IIRC Roshar is healthier on average than normal due to the ambient investiture level and contagious disease is rare, so I think surgery might be their only major medical field to speak of (because why would a surgeon need to be able to diagnose epilepsy?). Their technology might be fairly skewed in its focus compared to Earth. Even Scadrial lacks in a lot of areas and excels at others, and that place is very Earth-like.
Charononus Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 IIRC Roshar is healthier on average than normal due to the ambient investiture level and contagious disease is rare, so I think surgery might be their only major medical field to speak of (because why would a surgeon need to be able to diagnose epilepsy?). Their technology might be fairly skewed in its focus compared to Earth. Even Scadrial lacks in a lot of areas and excels at others, and that place is very Earth-like. Yes but their surgery is late 19th to early 20th century. Gravitation and air pressure were discovered here in the mid to late 17th century. I doubt the rest of their sciences are more than 200 years behind their medical skills.
Moogle Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I doubt the windrunners of old understood enough about gravity and air pressure to know any better when they made the names. The Heralds might have, however. Maybe the Heralds named the Surges?
Yata he/him Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I remember that When Adolin see the Soulcasting of a new Building. He noticed that the air push from the "wrong way". Therefore in the Noble's education there is a good deegre of Physics and the Gas law. About the surgeon skill, remember that the Alethi is quite always in war and the development of medicine is accellerated through the wars.
Charononus Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 About the surgeon skill, remember that the Alethi is quite always in war and the development of medicine is accellerated through the wars. Honestly just about every science gets boosts from war as people look for ways to get an edge.
DreamEternal Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Honestly just about every science gets boosts from war as people look for ways to get an edge. That is very untrue, actualy. War advances enginnering and science only as long as it provides, or seems to provide, an advantage in the short term. No one in their right minds researches the cure for cancer during a war instead of making and researching long-range missles.
Charononus Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 That is very untrue, actualy. War advances enginnering and science only as long as it provides, or seems to provide, an advantage in the short term. No one in their right minds researches the cure for cancer during a war instead of making and researching long-range missles. This depends on how broadly you want to define things. Some of the first chemotherapy drugs were a class called Alkylating agents. These were derived from mustard gas after it was used during world war one. The advances in war don't have immediate use in other fields typically but they have effects that typically get discovered shortly there after.
DSC01 he/him Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Well, that's the problem, there. It doesn't seem like there is a "thereafter" for the Alethi.
Charononus Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Well, that's the problem, there. It doesn't seem like there is a "thereafter" for the Alethi. Hasn't really been in real history either. You have short periods without conflict but nothing long term.
Plaeggs he/him Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 We should remember that what something means in our language does not mean the exact same thing in Rosharian. For example, they might have named it gravitation as a new word, and then later, when they discover gravity, they would name gravity after the surge, not the other way around.
DreamEternal Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Hasn't really been in real history either. You have short periods without conflict but nothing long term. While there may not have been time periods without conflit somewhere in the world, many nations on earth have had long periods without war, and most cultures don't see the very idea of peace as a bad thing.
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