KevThinker he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Author Posted January 3, 2014 57. Who is actually speaking during the Epigraphs?
KevThinker he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Author Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) 58. Is the Parshendi shardbearer that Dalinar fought at the Tower Odium's Champion. 59. What other rules is Odium bound by? Edited January 3, 2014 by KevThinker
Aether he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 57. Who is actually speaking during the Epigraphs? 57. Well, the Epigraphs of Part I and IV are "Death Chants" collected by the Death Surgeons you meet at the end of the book. "The Letter" of Part II is commonly believed to be written by Hoid and addressed to a Shardholder we haven't met, but is generally believed to be the based on Yolen - Hoid's presumed home-planet (and is a freaking Dragon!). The Epigraphs of Part III is Jasnah's notes about Urithiru, the Voidbringers, the Dawnshards and other subjects. 58. Is the Parshendi shardbearer that Dalinar fought at the Tower Odium's Champion. 59. What other rules is Odium bound by? 58. We do not know enough to say anything either way for certain, but I am still going to give you a sound "no" on that one. I do not think Odium even has a champion at this point, but if he does, then I sincerely doubt it is the Parshendi Shardbearer, who have shown considerably more honour than most Alethi Shardbearers. 59. We do not know. He has invested himself on Roshar, but is really located on Braise, another planet in the Greater Roshar (Solar) System (consisting of Roshar, Ashyn and Braise). Presumably, because of this, he cannot roam around any more as easily as he's done before, but that is just speculation. And even if he was already pretty aligned with his Shard's intent to begin with, I do not think he can go directly against it at this point, which is to say that there will be no "Odium finds true love and resigns from being evil"-ending.
Moogle Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) 54. What are the order of events in the Way of Kings since ancient days? So far I think it goes. 1. The Heralds leave the Radiants and primitive humans abandoning the oathpact. 2. Nohadon's kingdom is desolated in a horrible battle. (This must have happened before Honor was killed as he stated that his journal was composed of events he witnessed.) 3. The Knights Radiant give up their Plate and Blade. 4. Odium defeats Honor splintering his Shard 5. The Alethi Kingdoms and other Roshar Kingdoms acquire the Plate and Blade. 6. The taming of the Parshmen. 7. Odium chooses to allow his war to pass into myth and for the world to forget about him in preparation for the Last Desolation. The only event that I can't place is when Honor created his vision journal. It was obviously before Odium killed him, but the Knights seem to have fractured after his death. 3 & 4 give me a bit of pause because Honor stated that his visions were made up of events he witnessed. If he was already dead then how did he know the Radiants gave up their plate in the Firestone Keep vision? I've heard some people state that they think that vision contains the day that Odium finally defeated Honor, but I'm not so certain. 55. I wonder if the cities created by the Dawnsingers fit together to form some kind of larger pattern? I also wonder if they are connected by mystical means. 56. Did Talanel's blade behave differently because it is an Honorblade? 59. What other rules is Odium bound by? 54. The Radiants came after Nohadon. The order is: Desolations happen, Heralds fight back the Voidbringers (with Surgebinders?) Nohadon's time comes around, he writes The Way of Kings (and founds the Radiants?) Heralds give up the Oathpact Radiants give up their Shards 55. They might have been connected by Oathgates, which might have been Transportation fabrials. 56. Taln isn't dead, so his Honorblade did not disappear. Honorblades act a bit differently in this respect. 59. Honor's entire shtick is rules and oaths. It is unlikely he was able to directly fight Odium, but instead probably forced him into some binding agreements (which include forcing him to pick a champion). The Shards of Adonalsium are also bound by other rules, like their Intents. It seems likely to me that Odium cannot directly destroy things, because that would fall under Ruin's domain, so expect more of a psychological warfare angle from him. Of course, we don't know anything for sure about what Odium is bound by because Honor is an incompetent stupidface who would hate it if the people who received his visions actually learned anything useful like, say, how to force him to pick a champion. Edited January 3, 2014 by Moogle 1
Isomere Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 51. Is an Alethi woman's Safe Hand physically different than her Free Hand? Yes it is an isomer, with reversed chirality 1
Shardbearer he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 59: I believe Brandon has said that Odium could leave the solar system if he wanted to, but he would have to leave a bunch of his power behind and he's not inclined to do that.
Oudeis he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 51. Is an Alethi woman's Safe Hand physically different than her Free Hand? Yes it is an isomer, with reversed chirality Womp womp woooooomp...
name_here Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 54. Actually, Nohadon founded the Knights Radiant, so that vision must predate the prelude. Also, clearly Honor was still alive as of the Feverstone Keep vision and created the journal later because he directly witnessed the events of every vision except the last one. 56. Apparently.
KevThinker he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Author Posted January 3, 2014 57. If Honor didn't die until after the Day of Recreance, than what was that moment of huge despair that Dalinar experienced in the Firestone Keep vision?
Aether he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 57. If Honor didn't die until after the Day of Recreance, than what was that moment of huge despair that Dalinar experienced in the Firestone Keep vision? 57. We do not know, but presumably, the Recreance might have been partially responsible for Honour's (later) death, which is what caused the sense of despair.
Oudeis he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 57. We do not know, but presumably, the Recreance might have been partially responsible for Honour's (later) death, which is what caused the sense of despair. Or, this being a vision granted by Honor, maybe it's just a painful memory, and the despair Dalinar feels is, in fact, Tanavast's own emotion transferred via the vision. 2
Aether he/him Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Or, this being a vision granted by Honor, maybe it's just a painful memory, and the despair Dalinar feels is, in fact, Tanavast's own emotion transferred via the vision. I did not even consider this. Good point!
DocHoliday he/him Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Well, that's just disturbing. Not to say that backwards time travel wouldn't be, but the fact that the simulation could interact with Dalinar shows that the Almighty was able to 'copy' people, essentially. The implications that every time Dalinar sees a vision results in people being created, who are then promptly killed when the vision ends, are disturbing. Selfish, too. Honor never made it so he was capable of interacting with Dalinar and answering questions like he did for poor Nohadon, so Honor wouldn't have to suffer being constantly killed. Just my 2 coppers on this subject: Do you play Video games like Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto? As far as I can tell, video games and the Visions have a lot of similarities. You turn the power on, and people who eat breath and have their own schedules, are created. You can mess with them, tweak thier behavior, or'm outright mass murder. And if you don't like the result, you hit reset and do it again. I don't think that makes any one evil. Why does it Honor?
Moogle Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Just my 2 coppers on this subject: Do you play Video games like Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto? As far as I can tell, video games and the Visions have a lot of similarities. You turn the power on, and people who eat breath and have their own schedules, are created. You can mess with them, tweak thier behavior, or'm outright mass murder. And if you don't like the result, you hit reset and do it again. I don't think that makes any one evil. Why does it Honor? There is a huge difference between a video game and an interactive vision on the level that Dalinar saw. A video game is scripted - you have at most 3 or 4 conversation choices in any given cutscene, and ultimately everything is a computer model. For Dalinar, he spoke with people who seemed to be living and breathing and responded to what he said intelligently. That's just not possible with a video game. The 'simulations' seemed to act exactly like real people and have all of their memories, or else they wouldn't have been able to answer Dalinar's question. I'll bet if Dalinar yelled at his wife in the one vision, she would have cried and said something like "What happened to you, Heb?". At that point, I'm pretty confident they're basically real people because to simulate someone to that degree basically requires you simulate a human accurately. It's possible the visions were superficial, and if Dalinar asked his wife about her childhood she wouldn't know anything and would just stare blankly at him, but I did not get that impression. Dalinar's visions were not a 'choose your own adventure'. They were much, much more. This immediately makes me leery when the visions were created and killed off willy nilly by Honor. I don't think it's a far cry to say he might be a mass murderer because of it if the visions were as in-depth as I suspect. Edited January 4, 2014 by Moogle
KevThinker he/him Posted January 4, 2014 Author Posted January 4, 2014 They'd just be projections not actual people, it's not cloning or copying just a simulation based on how people would act in a given situation.
Oudeis he/him Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 They may well be alive, but does that mean they're human? Maybe her existence is for this purpose, and maybe she's fine with that. Not being biological, she cannot procreate, has no need to eat or do any of the basic human drives to survive. Perhaps, for a being like she is, this is the ultimate purpose, and she feels a sense of fulfillment at being able to accomplish it so well.
Moogle Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) They'd just be projections not actual people, it's not cloning or copying just a simulation based on how people would act in a given situation. How do you know? If we were to simulate a brain electronically, neuron-for-neuron match, hook it up to a robot chassis (and convert the signals from arms so that the electronic brain feels them and controls them like they would a human brain), would it not be an 'actual person'? It would act exactly the same as a human in this scenario. On what grounds would it not be a real person? Just because it's not made of carbon atoms? Does a book suddenly cease to be a book because it is made of 0's and 1's on my Kindle and not made of paper? They may well be alive, but does that mean they're human? Maybe her existence is for this purpose, and maybe she's fine with that. Not being biological, she cannot procreate, has no need to eat or do any of the basic human drives to survive. Perhaps, for a being like she is, this is the ultimate purpose, and she feels a sense of fulfillment at being able to accomplish it so well. Possible, but what's more likely: a creation that derives joy from emulating a once-living person perfectly (somehow created by Honor), or Honor just directly simulating the person? We have very little to no evidence of the people in the visions being mimics created for the purpose of acting like once-living people. Edited January 4, 2014 by Moogle
Oudeis he/him Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Possible, but what's more likely: a creation that derives joy from emulating a once-living person perfectly (somehow created by Honor), or Honor just directly simulating the person? We have very little to no evidence of the people in the visions being mimics created for the purpose of acting like once-living people. First, I'm not sure we mortals can speak to what's more "likely" for a functionally omnipotent being that's been alive several thousand years at least. Also, if you're right, and simulating the person is cruel, then it's it likely Honor would avoid doing so? No offense... it sorta seems like you're trying very hard to be offended here. You are correct, it's possible Honor did something bad here, but we have not the slightest bit of information that makes either possible theory, or any of a dozen other possible theories, any more or less likely. If you want to have an opinion, that's fine, but you have to admit, with the tiny scrap we've got from the books, it'd be like trying to deduce the plot of the Way of Kings from reading three pages; you simply cannot say that any one interpretation is, objectively, more "likely" than any other. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that nothing you've said so far is anything more than sheer speculation, so I wouldn't count on it convincing a jury of your peers.
Meg Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 #13. Why are there no women with Shard Plate or Shard blades in modern times? Though there seems to be no women "in modern times" fighting (with Shardplate and Shardblade), but we know that there is one woman possessing a Shardblade.
KevThinker he/him Posted January 4, 2014 Author Posted January 4, 2014 58. Was their an original deity that utilized Adnolsium to crest the universe?
Aether he/him Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 58. Was their an original deity that utilized Adnolsium to crest the universe? Well, we know there is a Universe, and we know that the power of Adonalsium is the power of creation. Presumably, it created the universe, but we have no solid confirmation of this either way. And as I mentioned earlier, we do not even know whether or not Adonalsium, had a holder or not, though most of us assume so. . What we do know, is that there is an opposing force to Adonalsium: claytonphillips Before Adonalsium shattered, was it consciously opposed by something, be it people or another cosmic force? Is whatever opposed it still around?Brandon Sanderson Yes. Yes. <source>
KevThinker he/him Posted January 4, 2014 Author Posted January 4, 2014 So in essence we could have an entirely different power that could spawn more books and more Magic systems
Aether he/him Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Brandon has around 36 books planned for his Cosmere-saga (not counting randomly thought-up stories, such as the coming Sixth of Dusk). If I am not mistaken, Dragonsteel is the name of the series that will further explore and develop the meta-story from of of the other books.
DocHoliday he/him Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 There is a huge difference between a video game and an interactive vision on the level that Dalinar saw. A video game is scripted - you have at most 3 or 4 conversation choices in any given cutscene, and ultimately everything is a computer model. For Dalinar, he spoke with people who seemed to be living and breathing and responded to what he said intelligently. That's just not possible with a video game. Actually that is precisely the goal with the video game industry today. Creating an immersive experience where everything is detailed to the finest nuance. That's why we have game systems like Wii and Kinect. Certainly we arn't there yet, but given another century of development, we could almost definitely have an A.I. advanced enough to stimulate human behavior. They'd just be projections not actual people, it's not cloning or copying just a simulation based on how people would act in a given situation. Which is exactly what I was getting at. I've been playing GTA V for the last couple days and I swear to God Michael's son Jimmy is a game clone of Jonah Hill from SuperBad. With the added ingredient of Magic (electricity) I see absolutely no reason that Honor couldn't set up a Sandbox environment for Dalinar to play in. Who knows? Maybe we'll be able to do the same soon IRL.
KevThinker he/him Posted January 6, 2014 Author Posted January 6, 2014 Well guys and gals, My read through is finished and although I'm sure there are several questions that slipped by my notice this time around as well, I think I speak for all of us when I say that March 4th couldn't come any faster. Thanks for all your answers and theories. KevThinker 1
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