Inkthinker Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Oh, I'm familiar with that "debate". It's pretty much exclusively the territory of children and people who want to maintain some sense of "purity" in their fandom. I consider it to be incredibly stupid and short-sighted. I don't care where animation is produced, I only care if the content is good. There's as wide a gap between Cowboy Bebop and Pokemon as there is between Rabbit Fire and Fire & Ice. Heck, the very examples you provide cover a huge spectrum of visuals, pacing and audience. Look to a production such as The Legend of Korra and tell me where that fits in such a tiny little box. It's anime, 'cause it's made in Korea (as everything is) and kinda looks like other shows from Japan! No, it's not, 'cause it's designed/boarded/directed/produced in California and made for an English-speaking audience! WHAT BASTARD CHILD IS THIS?! And man, that Korra sure is dumb and has big boobs, right? Tenzin, such a pretty boy! But sure, if it helps exclusionist, discriminatory "anime fans" from getting their panties wound in a twaddle, consider my viewpoint modified. Stormlight would work best as an "animated series". With the existing team playing a role in design and direction, insofar as we are able (given that most of the team has a background in animation production, I would argue that we are, at least, well-qualified.) And I'm sure that it would have some "anime influence", because pretty much everyone on the team is a fan of Japanese animation, to varying degrees. But if anyone thinks that it means a show couldn't be produced in which Dalinar and Kaladin are real men, or that we would let Shallan suddenly gain four bra sizes and lose half her IQ, then I am both disappointed in your lack of faith in the team and saddened at your paucity of vision. Edited November 12, 2013 by firstRainbowRose No swearing please 4
Arondell Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Oh, I'm familiar with that "debate". It's pretty much exclusively the territory of children and people who want to maintain some sense of "purity" in their fandom. I consider it to be incredibly stupid and short-sighted. I don't care where animation is produced, I only care if the content is good. And man, that Korra sure is dumb and has big boobs, right? Tenzin, such a pretty boy! But if anyone thinks that it means a show couldn't be produced in which Dalinar and Kaladin are real men, or that we would let Shallan suddenly gain four bra sizes and lose half her IQ, then I am both disappointed in your lack of faith in the team and saddened at your paucity of vision. Don't sugar coat it Inkthinker. Tell us how you *really* feel. In any case you obviously have an opinion that is set in stone on this issue.
Inkthinker Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Sorry. The "real anime" thing punches a button. I apologize if I was being excessively snarky, but a statement like, "if it were anime, it would have to be X and Y and Z because that's what anime means" is a perfect, almost literal example of failing to see a forest for the trees. Even if it were produced entirely in Japan by a Japanese studio (and the Koreans), without the influence of Dragonsteel, the idea that in doing so it would need to conform to some ridiculous modification wherein Kaladin becomes this girly man, Dalinar collects panties and Shallan becomes a big-tit tsundere (or whatever other argument is being made that boils down to "it can't be that, because 'anime' means what I say it does") isn't just short-sighted, it's harmful. It prevents good work from being done and reinforces stereotypes that only serve to illustrate false representation. It also suggests that Brandon would be foolish enough to sell out for an adaptation without any stipulations regarding content. The biggest flaw with adapting Stormlight as an animated series would be convincing people that it's not any of those stupid things people have talked about.... a task made harder by idiots telling the ignorant that if it's "anime" (a term which has almost no purpose in English outside of a marketing classification), then it must be stupid, or badly animated, or for kids, or for perverts. Way to go, fans. ... Anyhow, I'm open to any convincing argument that suggest how the full range of action, characters and locations can be brought to a new media, while also realistically addressing the issue of budget, distribution, VFX and scope. Budget is the real killer. If we're opening the discussion to a dream land where someone is just going to open the money hose forever, then I could see shooting for a GoT style series. But it is SOOOO visually effects heavy, we're talking Avatar levels of CGI, going on for dozens of hours. Really, think about showing the world of Roshar. Horses are rare, giant walking crabs with shells made of stone are common. Almost every plant in the world is animated, and reacts to humans by withdrawing in some way. Most of the cast would need to be Asian or Indian, if we're not whitewashing the characters, and that comes with a whole bucket of challenges that would be awesome to overcome, but are poison to fiscally-wary investors. And where would you shoot it? LotR works because of New Zealand. GoT shoots in Ireland and Morroco and all over. But what live sets do you propose substitute for the Shattered Plains, the City of Bells, or the knife-edge mountains of Alethkar? Is every place going to made of whole cloth, shooting in green rooms like The Phantom Menace? So, let's make a video game. I'm actually into this idea... it could look great, and we could go anywhere, and we could see almost anything. But I think perhaps there's some misunderstandings about what can be practically achieved in terms of gameplay and balance, especially considering that we're two books into a five-book arc of a ten-book series. If you want to wait until 2020 for an adaptation, a video game is much more reasonable, and I think it would be pretty cool. But it's too early to know if any sort of multiplayer is practically feasible, much less reasonably convertible into a player-interactive format. Unless we want to reduce the scope massively, and only allow the player to work from the viewpoint of a handful of characters with limited abilities. As it is, we wouldn't be adapting The Stormlight Archive (novels) into another media, we would be adapting the Stormlight IP into a new story, with new characters. Which I'm fine with, but that's a whole warehouse full of worm-buckets you're opening up there. Lastly, I would point out that the budget for producing a videogame is significantly higher than that of an animated series. Even a really expensive animated series costs less than a cheaply-made game, at least the sort of game I think most of us imagine when we read the novels. But what might help achieve that level of budget would be an expanded fandom, supported by multiple media. Only one media option allows adaptation of the source material in the most faithful, fully realized form outside of the written word. I'm talking about comics, of course. Actually, how come comics isn't an option? I guess that would be part of "None of the above"... I would totally back a comics adaptation. Or I guess it would a be MANGA adaptation, though I think that doesn't mean it needs a Japanese artist. It would need someone versed in long-format storytelling, though, and man... it would be a very slow production. Could work though. Would be cheapest, could look great, has a lot of potential to feed additional media adaptation. It would take a long time to produce, but then turnaround time for all these options would require a couple years or more of production before having anything distributable. Actually, in that sense, comics might have the fastest results, too. If released online in small chunks, you could be reading an adaptation online mere months after it were started. Edited November 13, 2013 by firstRainbowRose No swearing please. Also, please used the edit button instead of double posting. Thanks! 2
Gamma Fiend he/him Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 I would totally buy Stormlight Archive Graphic Novels.High quality. I don't know many exampled, but one I have read was the Dark Tower adaptation by Marvel. Their artwork was great. Also, The First Law by Joe Abercrombie is now having weekly Web Comics (good quality) being published. And there's already plenty of artwork in the books to base stuff off of. Graphic Novels are a great idea.But, I would like to see a nice animated series (maybe a couple pretty CGI scenes or some sort of hybrid).If I were a millionaire, I'd Invest.
Sasukerinnegan he/him Posted November 13, 2013 Author Posted November 13, 2013 Some people have mentioned comics/manga/graphic novels as a suitable medium. I have added it as an option to the poll. 1
Inkthinker Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 Neat! You can revise your vote after you place it.
Argent he/him Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 ...or that we would let Shallan suddenly gain four bra sizes and lose half her IQ... /chuckle I'm talking about comics, of course. Actually, how come comics isn't an option? I guess that would be part of "None of the above"... I would totally back a comics adaptation. Or I guess it would a be MANGA adaptation, though I think that doesn't mean it needs a Japanese artist. It would need someone versed in long-format storytelling, though, and man... it would be a very slow production. Could work though. Would be cheapest, could look great, has a lot of potential to feed additional media adaptation. It would take a long time to produce, but then turnaround time for all these options would require a couple years or more of production before having anything distributable. Actually, in that sense, comics might have the fastest results, too. If released online in small chunks, you could be reading an adaptation online mere months after it were started. I've read most of the Eye of the World graphic novels and I could totally see The Stormlight Archive in the same format, with similar drawing... paradigm? style? quality? Jim Butcher's Dresden Files also have graphic novels, and they are not bad at all. So I guess this could work - but since I've never been a big fan of the genre (one of my big shortcomings as a geek), I would buy them as complementary materials, and only after I've read the respective books. This being said, I guess I didn't think my idea for a TV series through. I think I would prefer an animated series, similar to Legend of Korra or Fullmetal Alchemist.
Natans he/him Posted November 13, 2013 Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Neat! You can revise your vote after you place it. *Cofcof* (change to comics) *cofcof* Really?! Nice thing =) PS: Inkthinker, on 12 Nov 2013 - 6:06 PM, said: ...or that we would let Shallan suddenly gain four bra sizes and lose half her IQ... How said that she already aren't a "G cup" What, a man can have illusions. =) Edited November 13, 2013 by Natans 1
Morsk he/him Posted November 19, 2013 Posted November 19, 2013 I'd much prefer a movie. I don't care about plot because the plot is already in the books. A movie could hash together some Star Wars plot to fit in 2 hours and be fine. I just want to see the world with the storms, and the spren everywhere, and the spheres glowing with Stormlight, and clothing for safehands, and Plate and Blades.
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