Oudeis he/him Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 What does anyone think gold would do under the influence of duralumin or nicrosil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Show multiple alternate pasts simultaneously? The sheer volume of input could well render someone unconscious/catatonic similar to a Duralumin-Tin burst, since Gold doesn't have the mind-expanding effect that Atium grants. Edit: or show the past of the ancestor(s) who passed down the sDNA. Not really sure the power works that way though. Edited September 18, 2015 by LabRat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I'm thinking something similar to burning atium+duralumin. Seeing every single way your past could have gone at once. It might be fundamentally disturbing, or it might be really handy and help you get a new perspective on your life. I wonder if you can in some way gain the knowledge of your potential selves? If I became a scientist in one timeline, could burning enough gold/having a duralumin boost let me draw on that knowledge, like a soul stamp can do? Really, I find the internal temporal metals fascinating. I hope they're explored more, as the upcoming novel's title might suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I'm thinking something similar to burning atium+duralumin. Seeing every single way your past could have gone at once. It might be fundamentally disturbing, or it might be really handy and help you get a new perspective on your life. I wonder if you can in some way gain the knowledge of your potential selves? If I became a scientist in one timeline, could burning enough gold/having a duralumin boost let me draw on that knowledge, like a soul stamp can do? Really, I find the internal temporal metals fascinating. I hope they're explored more, as the upcoming novel's title might suggest. If the gold doesn't expand your mind to process all this (I could remember that is part of burning atium), I suppose is difficoult for a Oracle to obtain "deep understanding" of what see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurisses Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Theoretically, what would happen if you burned Atium, Gold, and Duralumin at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoid Is Dead Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 The user will be confused I think. lol. Normal use of atium + duralumin with the effects of enhanced visions of the burner's different path in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) The user will be confused I think. lol. Normal use of atium + duralumin with the effects of enhanced visions of the burner's different path in life. While the Atium isa Source of Power, that give to you access little to the Spiritual Realm (a very limited futuresight) and the Atium+Durallumin push this more far (resulting with much Atium in a true "limited-omniscience moment"). The other metals don't offer so much power therefore they must be less powerfull (or just less efficient). I think that "inferiority" can manifest with: - Limited target: The Gold and Electrum affect a very small "area", just yourself. While the atium and Malatium affect the worldwide you can see. - Limited comprehension: The Gold and Electrum don't push your mind to process the "time shadows" (if there are many). - Limited power: The Gold and Electrum can't go too far. Edited September 18, 2015 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) If the gold doesn't expand your mind to process all this (I could remember that is part of burning atium), I suppose is difficoult for a Oracle to obtain "deep understanding" of what see. All metals enhance the mind in some way. Tin also helps your mind process your enhanced senses. The question is more if gold's effect allows you to process the gold shadows you see in a useful way such that you wouldn't be overwhelmed by a duralumin burst. Brandon says electrum+duralumin could result in the same thing as duralumin+atium (albeit a bit harder than atium), so I think it could very well be the case for gold as well. Edited September 18, 2015 by Moogle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Upvote because I just finished determining the "mental enhancement" quote wasn't in Theoryland and was about to search the annotations... Question: In the second hyperlink, did you mean to say electrum+duralumin? Or do you think electrum mixed with atium would do it? Gold is kind of unique in that it's the one metal with any kind of an immediately deleterious effect. Iron can pull a knife to your chest, and tin can make you too susceptible to loud sounds/bright lights, but the only metal that always seems to hurt you simply to use is gold. Even Miles, who comments that he burns gold every so often, reels from it when he uses it on-screen. I don't think we have a guarantee that gold and duralumin won't hurt you, a lot. In my head!canon, it lets you see a bunch of different goldshadows at once; which would mean you'd be thinking with many, many brains at once. Hrm. Rather than gain their knowledge... I wonder if it works a little differently? We don't see a lot of how the goldshadows work. They never seem surprised. Lawman!Miles looked at outlaw!Miles and noticed his slouch, but didn't seem surprised to see him. He knew the outlaw's past and everything he implied and he hated it. How much do they know about what's going on for the "real" person? Do they understand they're only here for a moment, that they're just a shadow? I actually wonder if we understand what's happening there at all. People seem to assume that when you burn gold, there's one "yourself" and the other is the Goldshadow... Vin was the urchin who saw the fine lady, Miles was the outlaw who saw the lawman. Yet, in both cases, the "self" wasn't really them. Vin wasn't anymore that scared little rat, not by then. She might never have actually been that furtive and bestial. We see less about outlaw!miles but I got the impression that it's another exageration, that it's not exactly Miles as he really is. Do "you" disappear when you burn gold, and the only things left are two goldshadows? Is there a central mind left anymore to say, "Okay but guys, here's the situation I'm in, who's got a solution?"? Anyway, I'm just rambling now. If I were mistborn, I'm pretty sure I'd be afraid to burn gold with duralumin. It might kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Apologies, I meant electrum + duralumin. The risks of posting in the early morning... edited. I agree... burning duralumin and gold would give me pause as a Mistborn. I definitely wouldn't want to be the guinea pig for that one. I'm really dying to see what a gold savant would end up like. I suspect you'd be one of the more "inhuman" savants, but having a shadow around at all times might have you end up a little like Legion's Stephen Leeds. Edited September 18, 2015 by Moogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 The post of Oudeis and other crazy stuff in my head unlock something in my brain. I have got an Idea: We know that the goldshadows are alternative outcome of a lifetime. But there are many possible outcome (infinite indeed), why the Gold shows one specific outcome from the set of possibilities ? It come to my mind, that is the Allomancer itself to make the Choise. Maybe not exactly purposely, but the Gold could picks from the set of outcome the one that the Allomancer deeply want to know. It's like the "what if machine" of Futurama, there are a Human who ask to the machine the right result. I've got an idea I've got an ide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth she/her Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Apologies, I meant electrum + duralumin. The risks of posting in the early morning... edited. I agree... burning duralumin and gold would give me pause as a Mistborn. I definitely wouldn't want to be the guinea pig for that one. I'm really dying to see what a gold savant would end up like. I suspect you'd be one of the more "inhuman" savants, but having a shadow around at all times might have you end up a little like Legion's Stephen Leeds. I kind of think that being a gold savant would lead to some form of Dissociative Identity Disorder. Being that much in touch with your alternate selves could cause you to start manifesting them as alternate personalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 It come to my mind, that is the Allomancer itself to make the Choise. Maybe not exactly purposely, but the Gold could picks from the set of outcome the one that the Allomancer deeply want to know. It's like the "what if machine" of Futurama, there are a Human who ask to the machine the right result. I've got an idea I've got an ide HA! Love the analogy to Futurama. If only I'd invented the fing-longer.... And yes, I always assumed that there might eventually be the ability to deliberately choose which goldshadow(s) you experience, that by default you go to a particular choice, one that's important in your subconscious or on your mind recently. Miles claims to burn the metal often; does he choose to see those two selves? Does he subconsciously think they're the only option, making a self-fulfilling prophecy? For what it's worth, Mr. Sanderson has said that if he burned gold, he'd see himself if he never became a writer. Apologies, I meant electrum + duralumin. The risks of posting in the early morning... edited. I'm really dying to see what a gold savant would end up like. I suspect you'd be one of the more "inhuman" savants, but having a shadow around at all times might have you end up a little like Legion's Stephen Leeds. Ah yes, we've all been there. I kind of think that being a gold savant would lead to some form of Dissociative Identity Disorder. Being that much in touch with your alternate selves could cause you to start manifesting them as alternate personalities. Responding to both Moogle and Kaymyth: Ooo, I had not thought of Gold Savants. Could you even function? I've read both passages where gold is burned, and neither one of them talks about the world around them. Can they even see it? Remember, you don't just see the other person; you ARE them. Obviously you don't have two bodies. If you kept burning gold, would both of you walk around the room? What if they try to split up? As I said before, neither of them seem to be the "real" you; it's like you split into polar opposites. Like, at a point in your life, when you made a choice, what if you went to one extreme or the other? Vin is obviously closer to the urchin than the noble; so then did her "urchin" persona take the place of her body, and the noble showed up in another spot? Can you even walk around and move? Can you interact? Can you see other people? When your 'selves' disagree over what to do, is the one you're "closer" to the decider? Or if you burned gold for hours, would your physical body just lie there comatose while your mind was off playing in the spiritual realm? Would gold savants need to be put in a bed and fed and cared for? These are questions to which we need answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) [in response to Kaymyth because ninjas] But then won't some of those shadows end up being gold savants with DID as well? It could end up pretty weird. Edited September 18, 2015 by natc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth she/her Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I need to check the MAG supplements when I get home. I don't remember what it says about gold savants, but I think even they were saying something like, "Yeah, nobody's been crazy and/or stupid enough to find out what it does." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Well, the MAG has a tendency to come up with stuff if the text doesn't provide. I'd be a little surprised if the stuff they come up with turns out to be canon. The downside of not-burning cadmium if you're a cadmium savant (or maybe bendalloy, I forget which) is a lost point of influence. Apparently that's meant to represent that after burning cadmium long enough to savant, everyone you've ever known or loved is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth she/her Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Well, the MAG has a tendency to come up with stuff if the text doesn't provide. I'd be a little surprised if the stuff they come up with turns out to be canon. The downside of not-burning cadmium if you're a cadmium savant (or maybe bendalloy, I forget which) is a lost point of influence. Apparently that's meant to represent that after burning cadmium long enough to savant, everyone you've ever known or loved is dead. It almost certainly won't be, but sometimes it gives you the seeds of ideas on which directions to speculate. Heh, cadmium savants. I don't know about everyone being dead, but they likely don't see you very often, and thus you don't have much connection to them. (I have a side character who tends to disappear for months-to-years at a time because he wanders off and hangs around in a cadmium bubble to "keep the whispers away". Nobody can understand why he does this, and everyone pretty much thinks he's nuts.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascendant Warrior he/him Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 This post made me think that at some point of gold savantism or gold+duralumin, you may become your gold shadow; a sort of low-tech personal forgery. It may be a long shot, but it could be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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