stcapps17 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 This is 100% conjecture and is probably just coincidence, since I have not read all of the Cosmere books. The other magic systems might not hold up to this. In the Stormlight Archive we are given information about 10 different Orders of the Knights Radiant and 10 different Surges. In the Mistborn series we were originally told about 10 different Allomantic, Feruchimic, and Hemalurgic Metals but later discovered that there were actually 16. We know that Andolisium was shattered into 16 different shards that create all of the magic systems that we see in the Cosmere. Allomancy stems from Preservation and has 16 different powers. Hemalurgy stems from Ruin and has 16 different powers. I think that Feruchemy stems from an equal combination of Preservation and Ruin and has 16 different powers. If all of the shards can grant 16 powers because that is the number of pieces that Andolisium was shattered into wouldn't it make sense that there would be 16 Surges that stem from Honor and not just 10? If this is true then there would be either new or hidden Knights Radiant Orders based off of the different Surges that they utilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) The highstorm cycle is also 1000 days, one year 500 days, one week 10 days, one day 20 hours . . . Roshar does 10. That's all there is to it really, as far as we can tell. We've seen two shards grant 16 powers each, and even then there are dozens more when factoring god metals and god metal alloys. If you invest a new shard there the number goes higher still. Hemalurgy doesn't even have "powers" in the first place. And can do way more than 16 things. Edited August 28, 2015 by natc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockbud he/him Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I think if I asked Brandon a question it would be around this. I've always assumed that the shards base powers would count between 1 and 16, each number identifying a specific shard. But, this kind of makes no sense to me. If anyone has evidence for or against this, I'd welcome it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyperson Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 (edited) COUNTERCLAIM: Brandon has confirmed that there are 10 worlds of the Cosmere. Also? Adonalsium has 10 letters. Plus, there are 16 main metals. However, if alloyed with the God Metals (Atium and Lerasium) there can be created more sets of sixteen. Lost Orders of the Radiants? Unlikely. Don't mean to shoot ya down, but... sorry, man. Edited August 28, 2015 by Keen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewStirlingMacDonald he/him Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 That said, if your order depends on the type of spren you bond, there could be more than ten orders. Perhaps there are other types of spren that have never bonded, but will do so at some point in the future *cough Nightblood cough* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockbud he/him Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I just read in a feruchemy post that neither allomancy or hemalurgy was known before the conflict between presuravtion and ruin: a break in balance. Since the surges are believed to come from both honor and cultivation, perhaps if the surges were no longer manifest from two shards combined we'd see different powers emerge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindrunnerRadiant he/him Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 With reference to Allomancy being unknown before the Lord Ruler's Ascension, that is at least partly false. Alendi (the man Rashek killed and replaced as the supposed 'Hero of Ages') was a seeker. That is why he could feel the pulses from the Well of Ascension. I would also like to bring up the Heralds (I'm a little surprised that hasn't happened yet). Each order of Knights Radiant is centered on a Herald. There are only ten of them, and it is extremely unlikely that there would be more (and there are definitely only ten people bound to the Oathpact). No other secret orders of Knights. Sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 The Surges are naturally paired, and the Orders we know have paired every Surge twice. I don't think we'll be seeing any more, but there's always Voidbinding... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 With reference to Allomancy being unknown before the Lord Ruler's Ascension, that is at least partly false. Alendi (the man Rashek killed and replaced as the supposed 'Hero of Ages') was a seeker. That is why he could feel the pulses from the Well of Ascension. I would also like to bring up the Heralds (I'm a little surprised that hasn't happened yet). Each order of Knights Radiant is centered on a Herald. There are only ten of them, and it is extremely unlikely that there would be more (and there are definitely only ten people bound to the Oathpact). No other secret orders of Knights. Sorry. Well, nobody knew about allomancy at least. It definitely exists, and Alendi must've been burning trace bronze or something. It's not like anyone would spontaneously decide to swallow a lump of steel or whatever, which is probably the amount you'd need to make the reserve obvious to the allomancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18th Shard he/him Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 No, allomancy was known - however, everyone who had it was a very weak level misting. In addition, it was supremely rare to be an Allomancer, many times more rare than the trilogy's time. Hence, few people understood as completely Allomancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Knight Posted August 29, 2015 Report Share Posted August 29, 2015 Meh. While Scadrial's number is 16, I keep getting the vibe that Roshar's is 10. For some reason, 10 just feels symmetrical, and Roshar is all about symmetry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 No, allomancy was known - however, everyone who had it was a very weak level misting. In addition, it was supremely rare to be an Allomancer, many times more rare than the trilogy's time. Hence, few people understood as completely Allomancy. 16% of the non-Terris population is rare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Meh. While Scadrial's number is 16, I keep getting the vibe that Roshar's is 10. For some reason, 10 just feels symmetrical, and Roshar is all about symmetry. Scadrial's number isn't 16 for any reason specific to Scadrial. 16 is a number with significance to anything involved in Adonalsium, and preservation was trying to use it as a hint. I wouldn't necessarily expect to see 16 around quite so often in the Stormlight Archive for that reason. 10 has a pretty natural significance for Surgebinding: There were ten heralds, with ten honourblades. The ten orders of Knights Radiant emerged as Spren sought to imitate those surges in bonding with humans. So naturally Roshar gives a lot more significance to the number 10, both in Vorinism in specific, and in magic associated with Honour. I believe Brandon may have hinted that 10 is a number of significance for other reasons when we were still analyzing Hero of Ages, but that may simply relate to the number of Shardworlds. That's not to say that Voidbinding or any investiture associated with Cultivation (assuming the Knights aren't actually partially associated with her/him) won't have different significant numbers, or none at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyperson Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Meh. While Scadrial's number is 16, I keep getting the vibe that Roshar's is 10. For some reason, 10 just feels symmetrical, and Roshar is all about symmetry. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstSelector Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 There is something about Honor's "Purposes", which WoB implies is something special about Honor and/or the magic system he set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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