Phantom Monstrosity Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Also, from the same reddit about Sel Woah, that's interesting. I had no idea odium left little bits of his power on Sel... I guess it kinda makes sense for evil monks to be powered by pure hate, though. Quote Odium did not leave his power behind, one should note. He left several other powers which are now, to a large extent, mindless...
Govika he/him Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Do the Shards (Cultivation, Honor, so forth) also exist separately in the other realms (such as Shadesmar, cognitive, and the spiritual realm)? If so, could Honor still exist in Shadesmar (perhaps tying in Urithiru into Shadesmar since it's "near Honor." If not, then could some Splintters exist in Shadesmar, where who knows what the splinters will look like? Also, does size vary on the splinters (I would think so since it seems logical for different splinter sizes) and what do the diffferent sizes mean? Maybe Syl is a small fragment while something else, maybe something we haven't seen yet, is something larger.
Arondell Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Do the Shards (Cultivation, Honor, so forth) also exist separately in the other realms (such as Shadesmar, cognitive, and the spiritual realm)? If so, could Honor still exist in Shadesmar (perhaps tying in Urithiru into Shadesmar since it's "near Honor." If not, then could some Splintters exist in Shadesmar, where who knows what the splinters will look like? Also, does size vary on the splinters (I would think so since it seems logical for different splinter sizes) and what do the diffferent sizes mean? Maybe Syl is a small fragment while something else, maybe something we haven't seen yet, is something larger. So far as has been revealed there isn't any kind of separate existence for shards in the different realms. When a shard is splintered that is pretty much it. As far as splinters go so far as I know there have been no hard and fast rules stated about where or how they manifest. On second thought splinters on different worlds seem to loosely manifest based on the world involved. As for size....I've never noticed a "size" aspect as such. At least not one that seemed all that relevant in and of itself. Most splinters do seem to kind of have a singular purpose.
Cayden Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 I have been wondering about this for a while and I am one of the ones who think that Tanavast died before the Recreance, I think it was centuries myself but then again I think he died when the Heralds abandoned the Oath-Pact as I think that left him open to Odium's attack because it was the agreement that kept balance between Odium and Honor as hinted by when Tanavast says Odium can be made to choose a champion and he does follow certain rules. But yes, I dont actually think that the Radiants were corrupted directly at all, or even the blades. I think it was the humans they were protecting and aiding that were being corrupted and because they were being forced into pointless wars, being forced to fight fellow Radiants, friends and people they care about, or having to kill helpless mortals. It would be enough to turn any honourable mans stomach, think about how Dalinar feels during some of the scenes when the thrill isnt overpowering his senses. I think they finally got to the point where they were sick of fighting, sick of protecting people who were abusing their protection and sick of having to dirty themselves. So they gave the people their blades and plate in the hope that they would realise what they had just been forcing the Radiants to do... I dont personally think it worked, as the people who got those shards were already tainted by Odium, because they did not have a spren to guide and assist them. And this I think is the key point, most soldiers were being tainted slowly but surely, the entire idea around Lighteyes was corrupted and without Honor alive, without Radiants to guide people then it was no longer possible for people to learn to surgebind. Until you find someone who has the natural spark inside of them and the mindset combined with perfect timing for them to attract a Spren. and Finally I think Galivar's death and the onset of the final Desolation has brought about changes to the world, the final splinters of Honor's consciousness have saved themselves to give the final bit of aid they are capable of to guide those few who are capable of it to take up the mantle. Roll on WoR!
Arondell Posted June 5, 2013 Posted June 5, 2013 But yes, I dont actually think that the Radiants were corrupted directly at all, or even the blades. I think it was the humans they were protecting and aiding that were being corrupted and because they were being forced into pointless wars, being forced to fight fellow Radiants, friends and people they care about, or having to kill helpless mortals. It would be enough to turn any honourable mans stomach, think about how Dalinar feels during some of the scenes when the thrill isnt overpowering his senses. I think they finally got to the point where they were sick of fighting, sick of protecting people who were abusing their protection and sick of having to dirty themselves. So they gave the people their blades and plate in the hope that they would realise what they had just been forcing the Radiants to do... I dont personally think it worked, as the people who got those shards were already tainted by Odium, because they did not have a spren to guide and assist them. Your enthusiasm not withstanding there is nothing to indicate the Radiants ever fought other Radiants. It might be very distantly possible that a radiant could be briefly deceived into attacking another but who could force them to deliberately do so? The very nature of the source of their abilities makes it highly unlikely.
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