DreamEternal Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Pulse: Citation, please? Citation for Adonalsium being both the creator and power source? I just assumed that since Leras had to use his own power to created the Scadrian humans Adonalsium had to do the same to created the original ones.
Oudeis he/him Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 No, for the second sentence. spren of adonalsium are self contained and don't reproduce. Also you completely ignore my main point, which is that Devotion and Dominion are splintered, yet the Selish have Innate Investiture. They got it from either those Shards or from Adonalsium itself, ergo the people of a shattered being still have Innate Investiture. You made the statement that with Adonalsium gone, people he created cannot still be born with Innate Investiture from him. That I can see, this statement is entirely supposition.
DreamEternal Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) No, for the second sentence. spren of adonalsium are self contained and don't reproduce. Also you completely ignore my main point, which is that Devotion and Dominion are splintered, yet the Selish have Innate Investiture. They got it from either those Shards or from Adonalsium itself, ergo the people of a shattered being still have Innate Investiture. You made the statement that with Adonalsium gone, people he created cannot still be born with Innate Investiture from him. That I can see, this statement is entirely supposition. The investiture from Dominion and devotion gathered into a huge mass of mindless power, the Dor. Since Adonlsium became the shards and a unknow nunber of splinters instead of just losing his mind, I am asking where the investiture comes from, since it can't be created or destroyed. Also, maybe spren can reproduce, but that still brings the question of where their investiture comes from. Are souls recicled? Do the shards lack the ability to acess this investiture? Edited July 23, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern
natc Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 IIRC that cosmere cloning thread we had going in the theory section had some kind of WoB on soul recycling in it with regards to outright cloning a guy into existence. Not sure though.
kinxer he/him Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we currently unaware whether Adonalsium was an active entity? IIRC, all we know is that it existed and then was Splintered. If it wasn't actually active, there's no reason to believe that humans were Invested by it. Edited August 7, 2015 by kinxer
DreamEternal Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 Actualy, in WoR a epigraph says The worlds you now tread bear the touch and design of Adonalsium. 2
kinxer he/him Posted August 7, 2015 Posted August 7, 2015 Actualy, in WoR a epigraph says The worlds you now tread bear the touch and design of Adonalsium. I must've missed that. Thanks.
Unhinged he/him Posted August 8, 2015 Posted August 8, 2015 the problem was that Adonalsium was both the creator and the power source. Spren of Adonalsium are self contained and don't reproduce, so they aren't affected, but if humans are born every day, where does their investiture come from, and why couldn't preservation tap into it? Is there a big cicle in wich investiture is recicled and only those with the right "key" can have it? Mistborn spoilers What if the investiture is slowly being divided up among the descendants of those original humans? Sort of like how when people first burned Lerasium they became incredibly powerful Mistborn, but each generation grew weaker until Mistings started appearing then descendants of the first Mistborn began to show up who had no Alomatic powers. they still had the potential to produce misting or even Mistborn offspring but they themselves didn't have any abilities. I think it's the same with the investiture of Adonalsium people still have enough to keep them going but not enough to grant them any special abilities.
DreamEternal Posted August 8, 2015 Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) Mistborn spoilers What if the investiture is slowly being divided up among the descendants of those original humans? Sort of like how when people first burned Lerasium they became incredibly powerful Mistborn, but each generation grew weaker until Mistings started appearing then descendants of the first Mistborn began to show up who had no Alomatic powers. they still had the potential to produce misting or even Mistborn offspring but they themselves didn't have any abilities. I think it's the same with the investiture of Adonalsium people still have enough to keep them going but not enough to grant them any special abilities. I don't think so, first because it would mean the first humans were ridiculously powerful and some thousands of years down the line humanity won't be even sentient. Plus, some WoBs( I won't quote because I am on mobile, sorry) that say that a sentient robot would just pull in enough ambient investiture to sustain ist sentience and that say there is an afterlife and an after-afterlife hint that after you die there is some grace period and after that your soul gets recicled to make new beings and your mind winds up somewhere else. Edited August 8, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern
tobar14 he/him Posted August 14, 2015 Posted August 14, 2015 The south pole of Scadrial has been mentioned here and there, and WoB confirmed it has life, and a form of allomancy/feruchemy/hemalurgy or something akin to them.-- Chaos2651 About the southern continent, would it be possible for other Scadrians to discover this method of using the Metallic Arts, or is it unique to the southern Scadrians? Brandon Sanderson It is technology-based rather than genetics based. So, we have technology based Allomancy, formed by TLR's backup plan people. Any thoughts as to how they could make this work? Science-based magic isn't exactly new to Sanderson (Fabrials), but it hasn't really been explained yet. I'm thinking it will have to do with carving symbols out of the proper metals to use as a channeling focus (Each metal does has symbols associated with it). The major thing I'm curious about is how they actually use the investiture. This MAY be explained by another WoB.. Indeed. Hm... What could Sazed be doing with that extra power... -Brandon Well. Brandon is *hint, hinting* at us about something here. I mean, I originally thought that Ruin's counter to humanity was Koloss, inquisitors, etc. But why wouldn't Brandon just come out and say that? Then it occured to me that RUIN didn't create those creatures, TLR did. While their power is of Ruin, it was used by a creature of Preservation, not Ruin himself. So that brings about the question of balance again... Granted, if we're talking Harmony here, magic wouldn't have come to South Scadrial until after HoA, which I kind of doubt, but hey, just kind of tossing up ideas here. Perhaps this is the case, and this will be a large part of the modern Mistborn trilogy. I can see Harmony use this extra power as a source of non-genetic magic to encourage cosmere-awareness for Scadrial. Maybe the "mistborn serial killer" we're hearing about is a Southern Scadrian. EDIT: Formatting I just started a new post about carving symbols to use allomancy http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/37655-the-nature-of-allomoncy-as-it-relates-to-aondor/
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