Zathoth Posted July 6, 2015 Posted July 6, 2015 It definitely sounds like Spook to me, for reasons others already mentioned. Anyway this is a tiny little detail to be annoyed about, but "What the hell is that?" Does Pathism have a hell? What is hell supposed to be in Pathism? Harmony doesnt strike me as the kind of deity who would send people to eternal suffering. We know that Harmony changed Allomancy and snapping already so it is possible that he could have changed Hemalurgy too, it is just, how do you make stealing attributes from people moral? Unless you are stealing them from your enemies already, then I guess it is ok if you are going to kill them anyway.
natc Posted July 7, 2015 Posted July 7, 2015 The afterlife does exist, and by HoA Sazed is known to not know how to do anything to the afterlife yet. It seemed at the time that he intends to figure it out at some point. On the other hand if you spike them before death they now have a chunk of their soul gone for good, so. . . yeah. 1
Coinshooter he/him Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 What I think to be interesting is that the book specifically mentions Hemalurgy, as it's already been established. While Steris is doing all the wedding-planning, Wax is devouring that book - and the last two sections are what intrigue me, talking about how Hemalurgy, being "good" now, should be used. Later on in the chapter, Marasi and Wayne ask Wax what's wrong with him, and why he's been growling all the time, like he's made a bad life decision. Wayne chalks it up to the hat, but then again, it's Wayne. And then Wax sees Bloody Tam, but nobody else does. Basically, my idea is that Wax is using Hemalurgy. Perhaps, while reading the book, he learned how to do it, and during a fight with a criminal, perhaps, he made a spike and is using it. In HoA, we have several examples of those affected by Hemalurgy receiving hallucinations - and that could be what caused Wax to see his old enemy. Now, how this happens I don't know yet - perhaps it has to do with Miles referring to Trell (who's also mentioned in Hero of Ages, while Sazed is fixing the world, fun fact), but I suspect that we'll be learning about some more cosmere-related things related to Hemalurgy within the book. Especially considering what was in the Ars Arcanum in AoL. 1
StormyAngel he/him Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 What I think to be interesting is that the book specifically mentions Hemalurgy, as it's already been established. While Steris is doing all the wedding-planning, Wax is devouring that book - and the last two sections are what intrigue me, talking about how Hemalurgy, being "good" now, should be used. Later on in the chapter, Marasi and Wayne ask Wax what's wrong with him, and why he's been growling all the time, like he's made a bad life decision. Wayne chalks it up to the hat, but then again, it's Wayne. And then Wax sees Bloody Tam, but nobody else does. Basically, my idea is that Wax is using Hemalurgy. Perhaps, while reading the book, he learned how to do it, and during a fight with a criminal, perhaps, he made a spike and is using it. In HoA, we have several examples of those affected by Hemalurgy receiving hallucinations - and that could be what caused Wax to see his old enemy. Now, how this happens I don't know yet - perhaps it has to do with Miles referring to Trell (who's also mentioned in Hero of Ages, while Sazed is fixing the world, fun fact), but I suspect that we'll be learning about some more cosmere-related things related to Hemalurgy within the book. Especially considering what was in the Ars Arcanum in AoL. Possible, but also somewhat questionable. All of the Hemalurgy induced hallucinations were Ruin's doing. So the question would be, Why is Harmony messing with Wax's head? Another possibility for Bloody Tam: some Kandra ate his body. Again, not sure why he would be there (nor why he would run away), but either way Scadrial has way too many options when it comes to magical impersonation. I chalked the "bad life decision" up to marrying Steris, but it's entirely possible that Sanderson knows I would think that and is covering up something like using Hemalurgy. Wax just has a lot to feel grumpy about I guess. 1
Coinshooter he/him Posted July 9, 2015 Posted July 9, 2015 To be honest, that was what I thought up at first (the Steris thing - though I have some doubts about that being the only thing). And I hadn't thought about the kandra - though I was under the impression that all Kandra were under the service of Harmony now (not that that doesn't mean that there might be one or two or more that would turn against them.... But it also makes sense, since the longer one's body is dead, the harder it is for a Kandra to replicate hair (if I recall correctly), and Bloody Tan had "thinning hair", which could be the Kandra being unable to correctly replicate the hair. So many questions... now I'm even more excited for the book to come out.
natc Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Sazed wouldn't need Wax to learn about hemalurgy to mess with his mind either. He's technically already spiked part of the time.
StormyAngel he/him Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 To be honest, that was what I thought up at first (the Steris thing - though I have some doubts about that being the only thing). And I hadn't thought about the kandra - though I was under the impression that all Kandra were under the service of Harmony now (not that that doesn't mean that there might be one or two or more that would turn against them.... But it also makes sense, since the longer one's body is dead, the harder it is for a Kandra to replicate hair (if I recall correctly), and Bloody Tan had "thinning hair", which could be the Kandra being unable to correctly replicate the hair. So many questions... now I'm even more excited for the book to come out. Sazed wouldn't need Wax to learn about hemalurgy to mess with his mind either. He's technically already spiked part of the time. So basically through hemalurgic spike, general influence, or Kandra servant: Sazed would be the one messing with Wax. For whatever purpose. And I sort of thought he liked Wax. Of course, Wax could just be suffering from a mental disorder or breakdown. The book is call "Shadows of Self" after all. That just screams "story about a man with a haunted past". 1
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 So basically through hemalurgic spike, general influence, or Kandra servant: Sazed would be the one messing with Wax. For whatever purpose. And I sort of thought he liked Wax. Of course, Wax could just be suffering from a mental disorder or breakdown. The book is call "Shadows of Self" after all. That just screams "story about a man with a haunted past". I think it's been hinted that Bloody Taan was at least partially possessed. Perhaps he's a kandra who was taken over by a spirit?
dayman Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 It's almost certainly Spook's diary. I imagine Spook dabbled with Hemulargy and probably even found TLR braclets at some point ... segwaying us into the next book. I would love it if it turns out Wax is spiking himself somehow.
natc Posted August 16, 2015 Posted August 16, 2015 It's almost certainly Spook's diary. I imagine Spook dabbled with Hemulargy and probably even found TLR braclets at some point ... segwaying us into the next book. I would love it if it turns out Wax is spiking himself somehow. You mean other than his clearly charged Pathian earing meant for prayer (and evidently awkward telepathic conversations)?
dayman Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 You mean other than his clearly charged Pathian earing meant for prayer (and evidently awkward telepathic conversations)? Yea, other than that. Like a more blantant attempt to increase power.
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