when did Tanavast die

[grinachu]

so I wanted to know whether Brandon has somewhere stated or other boarders have any theories as to when Tanavast died? It is open to multiple interpretations because one the hand there is a chapter title "Honor is Dead" which could carry the inference it happened fairly recently. On the other hand, the visions stop at the Day of Recreance, and further the voice in the stars calls Kaladin "child of one long since departed", which the consensus seems to mean is Tanavast. So when did he die?

[Vindicator]

I personally think the chapter name is just a subtle way of foreshadowing the revelation that God is dead at the novel's end.

Happened recently? No. I think it happened around the time of the Last Desolation (sometime after the prologue scene, where the Heralds abandoned mankind).

[Meg]

Interesting thoughts about the chapter-title. I always thought it refers to the chapter, as Kaladin states there: "Honor died eight months ago." (That was when Amaram killed the survivors of Kaladin's team and sent him to slavery.)

[Vindicator]

Interesting thoughts about the chapter-title. I always thought it refers to the chapter, as Kaladin states there: "Honor died eight months ago." (That was when Amaram killed the survivors of Kaladin's team and sent him to slavery.)

It likely does. It was both referring to something that happened in that chapter, and also referring to the underlying theme in the story - honor is dead. It was also a very subtle foreshadowing of what was to come, like a word with many meanings.

[Dros]

A lot of folks believe that it happened, at the earliest, sometime after the Recreance. Honor states in his last vision to Dalinar that the many of the scenes he has shown Dalinar, he witnessed directly. The Recreance, in my opinion, seems to be one those. It's one of the less "abstract" visions. Brandon has also said, the Recreance was not in response to the death of Tanavast. He didn't say exactly why it happened, but that wasn't it.

[Elwynn]

Brandon has also said, the Recreance was not in response to the death of Tanavast. He didn't say exactly why it happened, but that wasn't it.

Hmmm... where is this from? That would change the way I look at a few things.

Are you sure you're not thinking of the 'alloy of law' signing where he said, 'the radiants did NOT abandon their posts because of what the heralds did' (not my caps emphasis)?

[Dros]

Hmmm... where is this from? That would change the way I look at a few things.

Are you sure you're not thinking of the 'alloy of law' signing where he said, 'the radiants did NOT abandon their posts because of what the heralds did' (not my caps emphasis)?

Hmm...I'll have to do some digging to back that up, but I was pretty sure he said Honor's death wasn't the reason.

[ADIMORTIS he/him]

I think that honor died before the breaking of the oathpact.

In the prologue the is an interesting line

Almighty above , Kalak thought. You're broken too, aren't you? They all were.

[Voidus]

I think that honor died before the breaking of the oathpact.

In the prologue the is an interesting line

Almighty above , Kalak thought. You're broken too, aren't you? They all were.

Honor was still alive when the KR's disbanded, which was well after the breaking of the Oathpact.

[Meg]

I think that honor died before the breaking of the oathpact.

In the prologue the is an interesting line

Almighty above , Kalak thought. You're broken too, aren't you? They all were.

I think you've misread this. Kalak didn't address the Almighty but rather Jezrien with his thought ("You" == Jezrien).

[Elwynn]

I think that honor died before the breaking of the oathpact.

In the prologue the is an interesting line

Almighty above , Kalak thought. You're broken too, aren't you? They all were.

It's a very good observation. But we have WoB that the Almighty was still around when the Herald's broke the oathpact.

Voidus

Honor was still alive when the KR's disbanded, which was well after the breaking of the Oathpact.

Ummmm...while I would probably say that is the consensus of most people on these forums, that certainly isn't something that has been substantiated. I know I'm of the minority, but I've searched exhaustively and found nothing to change my view. (Not trying take punches at you, just seemed like you were maybe trying to inform the new guy of something that had been confirmed.)

[Voidus]

Most of what I show you are scenes I have seen directly the figure said. “But some, such as this on are born out of my fears. If I fear it, then you should too.

Yeah I realise that some people still don't accept it as definitely being true but I guess because I take it as basically confirmed that that's how I show it to others, so yeah not absolute confirmation on that one sorry.

But I think this quote is pretty strong evidence.