Josiah Bills Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I have been wondering about two things for a while now. First, do we actually see Syl talking to anyone other than Kaladin? If not then maybe she can only communicate with him over their link. Also, why is bridge 4 always targeted? Is it just a coincidence that the first real windrunner in centuries turns up in that crew, the one that is targeted the most often by the parshendi? If it is not a coincidence, then perhaps the parshendi have some sort of future sight. I do not believe voidbinding is related to prophecy. Maybe prophecy was only associated with it because some parshendi can do both. If they do have some form of future sight, then maybe they saw that someone important was going to be in the bridge crews, most especially in bridge 4. Maybe the whole reason they focused on the bridgecrews was to keep that system in place so that when Kaladin came along they would have the opportunity to kill him. Maybe in the next book we will see Sadeas's bait system fail when the archers stop focusing on the bridgecrews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Also, why is bridge 4 always targeted? Is it just a coincidence that the first real windrunner in centuries turns up in that crew, the one that is targeted the most often by the parshendi? No, it's because Kal was supposed to get punished so he was put in Bridge four in the hopes he'd just die and not be a danger. I suppose the Parshendi still could have set it up but when they see him Surgebinding they don't all go mad and try to kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josiah Bills Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 No, it's because Kal was supposed to get punished so he was put in Bridge four in the hopes he'd just die and not be a danger. I suppose the Parshendi still could have set it up but when they see him Surgebinding they don't all go mad and try to kill him. But why was bridge 4 itself such a tempting target to the parshendi? My idea is that it might have been because the parshendi thought that someone dangerous might be put in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 But why was bridge 4 itself such a tempting target to the parshendi? My idea is that it might have been because the parshendi thought that someone dangerous might be put in it. The only problem with this is that whichever bridge they targeted more than others would be the one that Kal got put in, so either it's a self fulfilling prophecy (Kal was only put in the Bridge because they fired more on it, which they did because Kal would be put in it) or just an odd streak of bad luck for that particular bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josiah Bills Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) The only problem with this is that whichever bridge they targeted more than others would be the one that Kal got put in, so either it's a self fulfilling prophecy (Kal was only put in the Bridge because they fired more on it, which they did because Kal would be put in it) or just an odd streak of bad luck for that particular bridge. You are probably right. Do you know whether Syl talks to anyone besides Kaladin? Also, I still think that it is possible that the parshendi knew that if they continued attacking the bridge crews Kaladin would be put in them. If they knew that then they could have used it to get an opportunity to kill someone who would be as deadly as a shardbearer to them. We already know that they are willing to sacrifice hundreds of men for the hope of taking down a shardbearer. An elaborate plan like this would not be so different. If the parshendi had ignored the bridgecrews, then they would have probably been given armor, and Kaladin would have ended up as a soldier one way or another. Edited January 23, 2013 by Josiah Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 No I don't think she does, she's reluctant to even appear to others though so she might just not want to as opposed to be unable to. I wonder if Rock could hear her though, since he can see her when she tries to be invisible I can't think of any times where he's responded to her talking so that supports this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josiah Bills Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 No I don't think she does, she's reluctant to even appear to others though so she might just not want to as opposed to be unable to. I wonder if Rock could hear her though, since he can see her when she tries to be invisible I can't think of any times where he's responded to her talking so that supports this theory. Do we know whether other spren are capable of talking? I know that Kaladin mentions that it is pointless to talk to a spren, but does he ever say whether conversations with them are impossible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Do we know whether other spren are capable of talking? I know that Kaladin mentions that it is pointless to talk to a spren, but does he ever say whether conversations with them are impossible? He wondered about Syl talking to him (especially when she first mentioned his name). Spren didn't use people's names. Spren weren't intelligent. The larger ones -- like windspren or riverspren -- could mimic voices and expressions, but they didn't actually think. They didn't ... (Kaladin in TWoK Chapter 2)Surely Syl has already been on her way to become (again?) a sentient and intelligent being at this time; at the end of TWoK she had finished her progress (there is word from BS about this somewhere, but I'm nearly sleeping; I'll look ...). About other spren I found this. But didn't the truthspren talk to Shallan in this scene before her "accident" with the goblet? Hadn't she been disturbed while summoning her blade, because "somebody" talked to her? I think "somebody" was one of the truthspren. She was interrupted midway through by a voice, uncanny yet distinct. What are you. ... "I'm terrified.' This is true. (Shallan in TWoK Chapter 45)And a bit from BS about the truthspren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cayden Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I have been wondering about two things for a while now. First, do we actually see Syl talking to anyone other than Kaladin? If not then maybe she can only communicate with him over their link. Think you are almost certainly correct there. Im beginning to think that the spren are Telepathic to a large extent with those they bond with, but that it is more of a symbiotic relationship as they cannot really be "sentient" without a bonded human.Also, why is bridge 4 always targeted? All bridge crews were targetted eavily, they were designed to be so, Kaladin realises this towards the end himself that the Alethi armies which use them want them to take the brunt of the damage so that the Parshendi Archers attack them rather than real soldiers who have to be trained. As for B4 it was a punishment assignment, they needed something to make the other Bridge Crews not feel so bad, because all they have to do is think. "hey least im not with those losers, i'd be lucky to survive the week." By giving the other bridge crews someone who they can look down on it makes their own oppression seem less. From what we saw though, Bridge Four lost the same as any other Bridge on an average, before Kaladin began training them, remember that some bridges fell entirely quite frequently. The main point that marks B4 out was the fact that it got the dregs. 4. Maybe the whole reason they focused on the bridgecrews was to keep that system in place so that when Kaladin came along they would have the opportunity to kill him. Maybe in the next book we will see Sadeas's bait system fail when the archers stop focusing on the bridgecrews. The Parshendi seem to have very different views on honourable combat than the Alethi. Besides using Archers on the Bridge Crews doesnt really lower the combat effectiveness of the Parshendi Armies because most of the time the real armies dont approach until the bridge has been set anyway, so they still hurt the Alethi and score some HK's they just do it on people that Sadeas doesnt give 2 hoots about. Overall it wouldnt make hardly any difference if they chose not to kill the bridge crews, unless they brought in a far larger force of archers and then began mass volleys as soon as they tried to cross. Also regarding Kaladin, if they knew what he was they would not have faced him with gems, they were totally blown away by what he could do, so I really dont think they had idea about him until the Battle for the Tower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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