Question 9

[Blackhoof]

Ideas for bubble epic name:

-Castle

-Entrenchment

-Domesky (from inside, the sky is her dome)

-Shieldsky

-Shieldmaiden

Hmm. That would be a problem. Lightwards is very committed to the idea of order--his ultimate goal, you see, is to unite every living thing on the planet and/or universe under the mind of a single individual, himself. He and Iconoclast would come to blows pretty quickly, unless they found a very compelling reason to fight together.

I was thinking that might be the case. Meh, they could still team up to defeat a common threat, both planning to betray and kill the other at first convenience.

I like the idea of an all-female government in Corvallis.

Also, am I the only one thinking that this could be Iconoclast's city? He usually works somewhat slowly, turning people into ghouls and letting nature run its course, so what if he was responsible for Euphoria's (or whichever Epic goes missing) disappearance?

oh yes, i like that!

This is the exact sort of place Connie would want to destroy haha. A place with zero freedom, and total security? The exact opposite to how he likes it haha.

In terms of maintaining canon (as in a reason why High Epic (really need a name for her) is not mentioned in Steelheart), let's just assume she doesn't make it out of the destruction of Oregon alive .Idea for High Epic's name:Rainmaker (Looper reference - yay!)Also, I'm having trouble coming up with a PI, any ideas?EDIT (ugh, why can't I remember everything in one post?): Also, Iconoclast is also welcome in the thread, of course, presumably in the 'invader' category

why thank you

what if rainmaker is just plain old impenetrable, like Steelheart?

or her body is made of water and when hit, it just breaks apart and immediately reforms? Sort of like healing, but so quick its like she is intangible. Like she is made of rain, and the rain falls onto place to cover any wounds.

Uniqueness it what I was hoping for. In the mean time we can do some world building and make it special.

I'm thinking that I might put the other two epics I thought up earlier into the mix as epic citizens. It seems like a relatively 'safe' environment for the two of them (thought it won't be when things start going south).

I like the idea of presenting Corvallis as a sort of paradise for epics, where they can be waited on hand and foot and live in lives of luxury, in exchange for submitting to the High Epic's rule, and defend the city when needed. On the surface it could be peaceful, with lots of intrigue as epics compete for favour and slaves. Then, when Euphoria vanishes (still plotting that part out), everything could start to fall apart.

And then the destruction will begin

How about Iconoclast tries to assassinate her (the exact thing he would do, to cause max chaos), but fails, and she gets spooked and flees? Or he comes close, and she is separated from her guards, but is too scared to return?

Assuming she can't manipulate Epics, in which case she would have no reason not to rule herself, she sounds like the kind of Epic that would get assassinate in the very first power struggle within the city, even more so, because those general mindrape meetings mean she's very open to getting killed.

what if, like Conflux, she is a gifter, and she stays hidden, using her gifting agents like banks of positive feelings to hand out to people? That way her agents can be sll over the city, cheering things up, and she can remain safe somewhere?

and it is a very useful power, epics wouldn't want to pass it up. Other than Iconoclast, of course, who has no interest in ruling haha.

Edited April 4, 2015 by Blackhoof

[Edgedancer he/him]

 

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Ahem.

 

 

Introducing a new character! Yay!

 

 

Name: Frederick Williamson, aka "Timelock"

 

Primary Power: Time manipulation. It stops time for all projectiles within ten feet. Able to create pockets of slowed down/sped up time up to ten feet in diameter. He can manipulate time up to 24 hours either way. Think bendalloy, If you've read Mistborn.

 

Secondary Powers: Slower than normal aging as a result of primary power. Enhanced dexterity.

 

Brief Bio: Formerly a linguistics professor at Stanford University. Became an Epic three years after Calamity. His Rending was unusual: instead of going on a killing spree, he merely became a recluse and hired someone else to do his Rending for him. Even more unusual is that it may or may not have addled his brain – he switches randomly to other languages mid-conversation.

 

 

 

I'll post a more thorough bio later, maybe.

 

Seems nice, hard to say without knowing what powers exactly you're actually going for now.

 

I'm working on a backstory Epic for one of my backstory Epics.

We're all getting curious here.

 

True, true.... Just one more thing: where do I start, how do I start, etc. Does Timelock just show up, or is there some weird rule or... 

 

Basically, what now?

A general idea for what your character wants to do after entering town might help.

 

Ok I've got an idea for an epic I'd like to add as a newcomer to Oregon from another location 

 

 

Epic name: Thermostat

 

Real Name: Mark Thomson

 

Primary Power: temperature manipulation: he can manipulate temperatures near instantaneously anywhere from around 200^oK to 3500^oK and can extend the power further with more time. He has a very high degree of control to his power and can even use temperature differences to create pressure explosions. At any one time he can consciously control the exact temperature of around the area of a small room. He can use this power for everything from creating ice weapons out of the air to creating superheated blasts of air to incinerate an opponent. 

 

Secondary Power: temperature immunity: he is immune to any and all temperature changes no matter how extreme and can see no matter the heat wave in a manner resembling infrared. 

 

Passive Power: temperature shielding: he creates a dual-leveled shield around himself of firstly, a heat shield exceeding 6000^oK and an inner shield that reaches temperatures close to absolute zero. This allows him to subconsciously melt almost any physical construct and stop anything made of energy from harming him. Though not a true prime invincibility, it is exceedingly powerful. It can also be consciously dampened or stopped. 

 

Appearance: He has the build of an average man who engages in normal exercise. He wears a full white suit with a neon blue tie and a white trench coat. His hair is a longer brown disheveled mess that looks like he just woke up. He is heterochromia with one eye being an icy blue and the other being an unnatural fiery orange color. 

 

Personality: He has a superiority complex befitting of Julius Caesar and knows he is the best thing before sliced bread (not after, nothing is after). He has been known to go into fits of rage but is otherwise quite genial. It is only when he loses his cool that he is truly dangerous. 

 

 

Does this seem like a good idea? If so, where would he fit in best? Thanks

Definetly to strong for anything not Astoria. Biggest problem I see is that between, just from the top of my head, burning up all his food melting the ground under him, turning the air he's trying to breathe into liquid and just destroying all his clothes he would never be able to actually use his temperature shield, without some serious limitations.

 

She's yours!  Can't wait to see what you do with her .  Remember that Corvallis already has an extensive Arboretum at the University, so she could have quite the garden using the Arboretum as her headquarters.  

 

I'll do another roll call in a bit, but the force-field epic (sick of writing 'bubble epic') is still up for grabs, or could just be an NPC.  Corvallis is also open, of course, to any other epics who would like to join, either as citizens or invaders .  Heck, we could probably even add more Queens to the inner circle, if people so desire. 

Stop tempting me you monster!

 

what if, like Conflux, she is a gifter, and she stays hidden, using her gifting agents like banks of positive feelings to hand out to people? That way her agents can be sll over the city, cheering things up, and she can remain safe somewhere?

Does double gifting like that actually work?

[Voidus]

Seems nice, hard to say without knowing what powers exactly you're actually going for now.

 

We're all getting curious here.

 

A general idea for what your character wants to do after entering town might help.

 

Definetly to strong for anything not Astoria. Biggest problem I see is that between, just from the top of my head, burning up all his food melting the ground under him, turning the air he's trying to breathe into liquid and just destroying all his clothes he would never be able to actually use his temperature shield, without some serious limitations.

 

Stop tempting me you monster!

 

Does double gifting like that actually work?

Well 'being happy' isn't really a power, making other people happy is so I imagine they're getting gifted the power to make other people happy rather than gifting happiness.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Well 'being happy' isn't really a power, making other people happy is so I imagine they're getting gifted the power to make other people happy rather than gifting happiness.

That would work, yes.

[Blackhoof]

Yeah, I thought that's how the power worked- like Conflux, but instead of electricity it is happiness/positivity. so she gifts the power to grant happiness to vanillas who work for her, to limit her exposure to danger.

[Kobold King he/him]

What would happen if Euphoria fought against Quota?

[Edgedancer he/him]

What would happen if Euphoria fought against Quota?

Every other Epic present would help her to get rid of Quota and then everyone is happy (presumably)

[Voidus]

Every other Epic present would help her to get rid of Quota and then everyone is happy (presumably)

Though that would happen without Euphoria

[Edgedancer he/him]

Though that would happen without Euphoria

Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! Everyone and their monster truck versus Quota!

[Comatose he/him]

Ideas for bubble epic name:

-Castle

-Entrenchment

-Domesky (from inside, the sky is her dome)

-Shieldsky

-Shieldmaiden

I was thinking that might be the case. Meh, they could still team up to defeat a common threat, both planning to betray and kill the other at first convenience.

oh yes, i like that!

This is the exact sort of place Connie would want to destroy haha. A place with zero freedom, and total security? The exact opposite to how he likes it haha.

why thank you

what if rainmaker is just plain old impenetrable, like Steelheart?

or her body is made of water and when hit, it just breaks apart and immediately reforms? Sort of like healing, but so quick its like she is intangible. Like she is made of rain, and the rain falls onto place to cover any wounds.

How about Iconoclast tries to assassinate her (the exact thing he would do, to cause max chaos), but fails, and she gets spooked and flees? Or he comes close, and she is separated from her guards, but is too scared to return?

what if, like Conflux, she is a gifter, and she stays hidden, using her gifting agents like banks of positive feelings to hand out to people? That way her agents can be sll over the city, cheering things up, and she can remain safe somewhere?

and it is a very useful power, epics wouldn't want to pass it up. Other than Iconoclast, of course, who has no interest in ruling haha.

 

In thinking I might go with temporary incorporeality whenever she gets hit, by having her burst into cloud and reform.

For Euphoria my original conception was of her as a gifter, who gifts positive emotions. The person she gifts it to can choose to use it on themselves or gift it to someone else (this is how it is used as currency and why it doesn't work on Epics). Basically like what Conflux does with enforcers. They have the power and then use it to power their suits and weapons. I hadn't thought of her using agents to distribute happiness but I like it!

 

Seems nice, hard to say without knowing what powers exactly you're actually going for now.

 

We're all getting curious here.

 

A general idea for what your character wants to do after entering town might help.

 

Definetly to strong for anything not Astoria. Biggest problem I see is that between, just from the top of my head, burning up all his food melting the ground under him, turning the air he's trying to breathe into liquid and just destroying all his clothes he would never be able to actually use his temperature shield, without some serious limitations.

 

Stop tempting me you monster!

 

Does double gifting like that actually work?

If you join, Euphoria can gift some bonus happiness as a start up bonus. Remember how people used to say you can't buy happiness? Well now you can. .

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! Everyone and their monster truck versus Quota!

 

If I could give multiple upvotes, I'd spend my entire quota on this post.

 

 

In thinking I might go with temporary incorporeality whenever she gets hit, by having her burst into cloud and reform.

For Euphoria my original conception was of her as a gifter, who gifts positive emotions. The person she gifts it to can choose to use it on themselves or gift it to someone else (this is how it is used as currency and why it doesn't work on Epics). Basically like what Conflux does with enforcers. They have the power and then use it to power their suits and weapons. I hadn't thought of her using agents to distribute happiness but I like it!

 

If you join, Euphoria can gift some bonus happiness as a start up bonus. Remember how people used to say you can't buy happiness? Well now you can. .

 

I was just thinking. 

 

IRL, emotional manipulation works best when the person being manipulated is unaware of it. If, for example, someone acts wounded to make zer significant other feel guilty, then lavishes affection on them when they apologize, then it is most effective when the significant other is unaware they are being manipulated. When ze catch on to what is happening, the attempt at manipulation will partially work, but it will leave them feeling angry and resentful that zer significant other played on their emotions like that. 

 

In Corvallis, Euphoria is essentially manipulating the entire vanilla population with their knowledge. While some vanillas undoubtedly take this manipulation as a sort of drug that allows them distraction from the overall suckishness of their existence, there have to be some who take it resentfully and despise the way Euphoria uses her powers to make them feel happy about washing feet (or whatever degradation their Epic masters force on them). What if there's a rebellion brewing, made up of vanillas who want Euphoria gone, and who will be the first to seize the opportunity to revolt when Iconoclast shows up? 

[Edgedancer he/him]

 

In thinking I might go with temporary incorporeality whenever she gets hit, by having her burst into cloud and reform.

For Euphoria my original conception was of her as a gifter, who gifts positive emotions. The person she gifts it to can choose to use it on themselves or gift it to someone else (this is how it is used as currency and why it doesn't work on Epics). Basically like what Conflux does with enforcers. They have the power and then use it to power their suits and weapons. I hadn't thought of her using agents to distribute happiness but I like it!

 

If you join, Euphoria can gift some bonus happiness as a start up bonus. Remember how people used to say you can't buy happiness? Well now you can. .

Really not sure if second hand gifting like that would work.

 

You're a devil.

 

If I could give multiple upvotes, I'd spend my entire quota on this post.

 

 

I was just thinking. 

 

IRL, emotional manipulation works best when the person being manipulated is unaware of it. If, for example, someone acts wounded to make zer significant other feel guilty, then lavishes affection on them when they apologize, then it is most effective when the significant other is unaware they are being manipulated. When ze catch on to what is happening, the attempt at manipulation will partially work, but it will leave them feeling angry and resentful that zer significant other played on their emotions like that. 

 

In Corvallis, Euphoria is essentially manipulating the entire vanilla population with their knowledge. While some vanillas undoubtedly take this manipulation as a sort of drug that allows them distraction from the overall suckishness of their existence, there have to be some who take it resentfully and despise the way Euphoria uses her powers to make them feel happy about washing feet (or whatever degradation their Epic masters force on them). What if there's a rebellion brewing, made up of vanillas who want Euphoria gone, and who will be the first to seize the opportunity to revolt when Iconoclast shows up? 

The best part? Tomorrow is sunday.

 

Getting everyone hooked wouldn't really be that hard, with a rewrite of their past emotions.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Really not sure if second hand gifting like that would work.

 

You're a devil.

 

The best part? Tomorrow is sunday.

 

Getting everyone hooked wouldn't really be that hard, with a rewrite of their past emotions.

 

Didn't Conflux do something similar? Give energy to Enforcement officers who used it to charge fuel cells? 

 

 

 

The way I read it, she was just rewriting the way they felt about their memories in the present. Kind of like….I don't know if you've read Ella Enchanted, but it's a take on the Cinderella story where Ella is cursed with obedience. No matter what someone tells her to do, she has to do it. So one day, Lucinda (the fairy who "blessed" her with that "gift") tells her to be happy about her condition and "see it as the gift it is." Since Ella has to obey, she sees her curse as a blessing until her fairy godmother (a much less powerful fairy than Lucinda) tells her to "be however you feel about it." This allows Ella to go back to resenting her curse. 

 

I thought Euphoria's powers functioned in a similar way. They don't rewrite the past; only the present, and there's no obedience caveat. So a vanilla's resentment might be able to surface from beneath all that manipulation. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

Didn't Conflux do something similar? Give energy to Enforcement officers who used it to charge fuel cells? 

 

 

The way I read it, she was just rewriting the way they felt about their memories in the present. Kind of like….I don't know if you've read Ella Enchanted, but it's a take on the Cinderella story where Ella is cursed with obedience. No matter what someone tells her to do, she has to do it. So one day, Lucinda (the fairy who "blessed" her with that "gift") tells her to be happy about her condition and "see it as the gift it is." Since Ella has to obey, she sees her curse as a blessing until her fairy godmother (a much less powerful fairy than Lucinda) tells her to "be however you feel about it." This allows Ella to go back to resenting her curse. 

 

I thought Euphoria's powers functioned in a similar way. They don't rewrite the past; only the present, and there's no obedience caveat. So a vanilla's resentment might be able to surface from beneath all that manipulation. 

Conflux gifted the ability to charge objects with electricity or something similar but the guards didn't get electrified themselves (luckily). Here we have an ability affecting people (making them happy) and gifting the same effect. A comparision in story would be, if David was capable of healing other people after Prof gifted him, which I don't think ever was the case.

 

People are an accumulation of their past, if they hate every instance of not getting Euphory as well as every moral that would tell them it's wrong why would they every attempt to get rid of it?

 

Actually yes, she does rewrite their past.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Conflux gifted the ability to charge objects with electricity or something similar but the guards didn't get electrified themselves (luckily). Here we have an ability affecting people (making them happy) and gifting the same effect. A comparision in story would be, if David was capable of healing other people after Prof gifted him, which I don't think ever was the case.

 

People are an accumulation of their past, if they hate every instance of not getting Euphory as well as every moral that would tell them it's wrong why would they every attempt to get rid of it?

 

Actually yes, she does rewrite their past.

 

How does she rewrite their past? She doesn't change the events or how they responded to them at the time; she just changes how they respond to them now. Kind of like how when a three-year-old throws a rock at a window because he's trying to break the rock open, he sees it as perfectly logical at the time. Four years later, he might look back and feel ashamed that he was such an idiot. Twenty years after that, he'll look back and think he was a hilarious (if rather dumb) kid. Euphoria is just using a concentrated and artificial version of that natural change in emotional responses to memories. She isn't changing the past; she's just changing how they respond to it. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

How does she rewrite their past? She doesn't change the events or how they responded to them at the time; she just changes how they respond to them now. Kind of like how when a three-year-old throws a rock at a window because he's trying to break the rock open, he sees it as perfectly logical at the time. Four years later, he might look back and feel ashamed that he was such an idiot. Twenty years after that, he'll look back and think he was a hilarious (if rather dumb) kid. Euphoria is just using a concentrated and artificial version of that natural change in emotional responses to memories. She isn't changing the past; she's just changing how they respond to it. 

Exactly, she changes how they respond to it, which is all that matters in the present. Wheter they liked it, hated it, resent people for pressuring them into doing it, all those emotions of the past make up your position and motivations in the present.

For example I could just make you leave us here, by making you hate all of us, turn friendly teases into mean spirited nagging and so one. And if those emotions grow deep seated enough you'll not simply sit down and think about it reasonably again any time soon. After years have passed, maybe, but in this scenarion the manipulator is constantly present.

If everyone in Corvallis loves what they do and never thought any else, why should they start resenting it?

Edited April 4, 2015 by Edgedancer

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Exactly, she changes how they respond to it, which is all that matters in the present. Wheter they liked it, hated it, resent people for pressuring them into doing it, all those emotions of the past make up your position and motivations in the present.

For example I could just make you leave us here, by making you hate all of us, turn friendly teases into mean spirited nagging and so one. And if those emotions grow deep seated enough you'll not simply sit down and think about it reasonably again any time soon. After years have passed, maybe, but in this scenarion the manipulator is constantly present.

If everyone in Corvallis loves what they do and never thought any else, why should they start resenting it?

 

It's stated that her gifted happiness wears off after a period of time, though. To continue with your example, let's say that, after I've been away from this site for a few weeks, I think back to what happened and wonder why the shift was so sudden. "We were friends," I think, "so what went wrong?" Afraid to reach out to you, I decide to talk to others involved to find out what was going on during that time, and I learn that it was all part of a psychology experiment on your part. I would be hurt, yes, but the way I felt about that time would change, softening a bit, making me feel less resentful but more willing to rethink what happened, and more willing to try and figure out a way to repair the damage if possible. 

 

To use another example, let's go with bullying. A girl is bullied all through high school, and all through college, she thinks she deserved it. She picks at her memories and shows herself evidence that she brought that treatment on herself, opening herself up to similar treatment from coworkers. But say she decides to look at her memories in a different way—adjust the focus, so to speak, so it lands on the bullies and not herself. Say she sees a group of girls who targeted her for arbitrary reasons and picked on her because they could. Or say she decides to embrace whatever she was bullied for. 

 

In either case, the memories themselves don't change. The events remain the same. What changes is the way the people involved respond to them, and that change was triggered by a choice to re-examine the events and how they responded to them. In both cases, the person being manipulated manages to break free of the manipulation they were subjected to—not completely, and not entirely, but enough to realize it was manipulation. 

 

Working from those assumptions, I can easily see a vanilla being gifted happiness and resenting it the whole time. Realizing it's just there to make them feel differently about their situation, letting anger simmer whenever they start to feel anticipation toward washing feet, anger toward not only washing the feet, but the way Euphoria makes them want to do it. When you know someone is trying to make you feel a certain way, it's easier to resist that. It may not be possible to ignore it entirely, but it would be possible to resent it and allow some of your own emotions to break through Euphoria's happiness. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

It's stated that her gifted happiness wears off after a period of time, though. To continue with your example, let's say that, after I've been away from this site for a few weeks, I think back to what happened and wonder why the shift was so sudden. "We were friends," I think, "so what went wrong?" Afraid to reach out to you, I decide to talk to others involved to find out what was going on during that time, and I learn that it was all part of a psychology experiment on your part. I would be hurt, yes, but the way I felt about that time would change, softening a bit, making me feel less resentful but more willing to rethink what happened, and more willing to try and figure out a way to repair the damage if possible. 

 

To use another example, let's go with bullying. A girl is bullied all through high school, and all through college, she thinks she deserved it. She picks at her memories and shows herself evidence that she brought that treatment on herself, opening herself up to similar treatment from coworkers. But say she decides to look at her memories in a different way—adjust the focus, so to speak, so it lands on the bullies and not herself. Say she sees a group of girls who targeted her for arbitrary reasons and picked on her because they could. Or say she decides to embrace whatever she was bullied for. 

 

In either case, the memories themselves don't change. The events remain the same. What changes is the way the people involved respond to them, and that change was triggered by a choice to re-examine the events and how they responded to them. In both cases, the person being manipulated manages to break free of the manipulation they were subjected to—not completely, and not entirely, but enough to realize it was manipulation. 

 

Working from those assumptions, I can easily see a vanilla being gifted happiness and resenting it the whole time. Realizing it's just there to make them feel differently about their situation, letting anger simmer whenever they start to feel anticipation toward washing feet, anger toward not only washing the feet, but the way Euphoria makes them want to do it. When you know someone is trying to make you feel a certain way, it's easier to resist that. It may not be possible to ignore it entirely, but it would be possible to resent it and allow some of your own emotions to break through Euphoria's happiness. 

Three things:

1) Periodical visits with Euphoria are manditory, as such your argument effectivly collapses.

2) They won't grow to resent that she manipulates them, if they are made to like the fact that she makes them think that way.

3) You're only going from surface emotions limited to one event, but with acces to a persons whole life you can just recolor their experiences and values until you play them like a fiddle.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Three things:

1) Periodical visits with Euphoria are manditory, as such your argument effectivly collapses.

2) They won't grow to resent that she manipulates them, if they are made to like the fact that she makes them think that way.

3) You're only going from surface emotions limited to one event, but with acces to a persons whole life you can just recolor their experiences and values until you play them like a fiddle.

 

1) True. But in between visits, the resentment could fester. Would it be difficult to break through? Certainly, but once Euphoria vanishes, it would all come crashing back. 

2) Again, true, but in between visits, think about all the resentment that would cause. As it wears off, more resentment would begin to take its place, increasing the overall amount of resentment Euphoria would have to override on their next visit. Yes, it would be difficult to break through that, but once she's gone, all of that pent-up rage has to go somewhere.

3) That's a lot of time spent with each vanilla. Presuming she can do this in minutes also presumes she also has high-powered telepathy, plus the ability to instantly interpret all memories in seconds, plus intuitive knowledge of which memories affected which vanillas which way. A single mind is such a maze of memory and emotion that rewriting them all would be a chore. It makes more sense for Euphoria to simply rewrite recent memories, because otherwise her caseload would be overwhelming. 

Edited April 4, 2015 by TwiLyghtSansSparkles

[Edgedancer he/him]

1) True. But in between visits, the resentment could fester. Would it be difficult to break through? Certainly, but once Euphoria vanishes, it would all come crashing back. 

2) Again, true, but in between visits, think about all the resentment that would cause. As it wears off, more resentment would begin to take its place, increasing the overall amount of resentment Euphoria would have to override on their next visit. Yes, it would be difficult to break through that, but once she's gone, all of that pent-up rage has to go somewhere.

3) That's a lot of time spent with each vanilla. Presuming she can do this in minutes also presumes she also has high-powered telepathy, plus the ability to instantly interpret all memories in seconds, plus intuitive knowledge of which memories affected which vanillas which way. A single mind is such a maze of memory and emotion that rewriting them all would be a chore. It makes more sense for Euphoria to simply rewrite recent memories, because otherwise her caseload would be overwhelming. 

What pent up rage? There are no pent up emotions, because all bad emotions get deleated.

I suppose it depends some on the details of her powers, but really, she doesn't need to completely rework every detail of their personality, just enough to make them happy in slavery, which is a lot easier than we would like to think with mind control. 

Just look at Babilar, that place is a pretty good example of how such things can go and Regalia didn't even need mind control.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

What pent up rage? There are no pent up emotions, because all bad emotions get deleated.

I suppose it depends some on the details of her powers, but really, she doesn't need to completely rework every detail of their personality, just enough to make them happy in slavery, which is a lot easier than we would like to think with mind control. 

Just look at Babilar, that place is a pretty good example of how such things can go and Regalia didn't even need mind control.

 

Deleted? I thought she was a gifter, who gifted happiness. That's not deletion; that's overriding bad emotions with good ones, like an abusive dad taking his son to the carnival in an attempt to make him forget about the abuse. 

I'm not saying it would be easy for slaves to rebel in those conditions; with an Epic like Euphoria, she could make rebellion all but impossible. But presuming she is a happiness-gifter and not an emotion-deleter, it would be possible for resentment to exist. And once she's gone, it wouldn't take long for it to come to the surface. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

Deleted? I thought she was a gifter, who gifted happiness. That's not deletion; that's overriding bad emotions with good ones, like an abusive dad taking his son to the carnival in an attempt to make him forget about the abuse. 

I'm not saying it would be easy for slaves to rebel in those conditions; with an Epic like Euphoria, she could make rebellion all but impossible. But presuming she is a happiness-gifter and not an emotion-deleter, it would be possible for resentment to exist. And once she's gone, it wouldn't take long for it to come to the surface. 

That's only half of her powers. The other half if rewriting a persons "emotional history"/emotions aka make them feel whatever she wants, permanently up to that point to everyone she touches.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

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I'll keep working on that power then, maybe put in some reasonable limits so its less mind controlly.  The need for physical contact to rewrite emotional perceptions of memories would be one limit on her doing it against other Epic's wills.  As it stands now, I don't have her changing what happened people's pasts, just what they felt about it.  It also wouldn't affect how they perceive their present (that's what her other power does, but it's limited to Vanillas).  Basically, someone affected by her history altering power (let's say she made their history happier) would wake up and go about their day, and be affected by stimulus normally (things that would normally perturb or bother them would continue to do so), and they would be left wondering why only yesterday, the same things had been enjoyable. 

 

It's powerful, for sure, but I see it more as a confusion tactic to dissuade rebellion than outright mind control.  She's changing how people think they feel about their pasts, but she's not controlling how they feel in the present (unless she is using her pleasure giving power, which can only be used on Vanillas).  I think it's the two powers used in combination that make her so powerful and mind-controlly.

 

….I realize her powers are more mind-controlling than I thought. However: 

 

If they're aware of Euphoria's powers (which, if they're required to visit her periodically, then they would be) then they would know they were being manipulated. Until we have an idea of how long it takes her to alter a vanilla's history (and I'm presuming it would take more time the farther back into their history she goes) I think it's safe to say she doesn't do this to everyone. Just those who are obviously causing trouble. Put a vanilla who hates their plantation work through Euphoria's history alteration and emotional rewriting, and they'll come out a happy little slave. How disturbing would that be to those who knew them? And how difficult would it be for their fellow slaves to keep their mouths shut and act happy so Euphoria doesn't do the same to them, submitting to her happiness-gifting and going about their days like they love life? She'd still be rewriting their surface emotions, but if they managed to  keep their mouths shut and act pathetically grateful enough, they could feasibly be kept away from the worst of Euphoria's manipulations. Would her surface emotion-rewriting keep them under control? Absolutely. But unless she's able to rewrite the history of every vanilla in Corvallis in a very short period of time, then the chances of some of them secretly courting rebellion while acting outwardly happy would be better than zero. I'm not saying a rebellion during Euphoria's reign is likely; it's actually the least likely thing I can think of. But after, when the vanillas who haven't been mind-wiped are free of her false happiness? I'd say it's pretty likely. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

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….I realize her powers are more mind-controlling than I thought. However: 

 

If they're aware of Euphoria's powers (which, if they're required to visit her periodically, then they would be) then they would know they were being manipulated. Until we have an idea of how long it takes her to alter a vanilla's history (and I'm presuming it would take more time the farther back into their history she goes) I think it's safe to say she doesn't do this to everyone. Just those who are obviously causing trouble. Put a vanilla who hates their plantation work through Euphoria's history alteration and emotional rewriting, and they'll come out a happy little slave. How disturbing would that be to those who knew them? And how difficult would it be for their fellow slaves to keep their mouths shut and act happy so Euphoria doesn't do the same to them, submitting to her happiness-gifting and going about their days like they love life? She'd still be rewriting their surface emotions, but if they managed to  keep their mouths shut and act pathetically grateful enough, they could feasibly be kept away from the worst of Euphoria's manipulations. Would her surface emotion-rewriting keep them under control? Absolutely. But unless she's able to rewrite the history of every vanilla in Corvallis in a very short period of time, then the chances of some of them secretly courting rebellion while acting outwardly happy would be better than zero. I'm not saying a rebellion during Euphoria's reign is likely; it's actually the least likely thing I can think of. But after, when the vanillas who haven't been mind-wiped are free of her false happiness? I'd say it's pretty likely. 

It would be possible after she's gone. How fast depends on how easy the control is for her and how long her gifted power lasts. Until we get more on that not much we can say.

 

By the way, I found Kobold linking to a Mario meme creator and made this.

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[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

It would be possible after she's gone. How fast depends on how easy the control is for her and how long her gifted power lasts. Until we get more on that not much we can say.

 

By the way, I found Kobold linking to a Mario meme creator and made this.

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"All we have is pugs and jokes"? You say that like pugs aren't the most important thing in any thread.