Elsecaller3414 she/her Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 Well, we do know that Taravangian got the diagram in a moment of genius after he visited the Nightwatcher, though we are not entirely certain when exactly that happened. It may have been decades ago, or it may have been only a few years.
restless he/him Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 right now, Moash is broken... or close to being broken
Guest Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 right now, Moash is broken... or close to being broken Not every broken character is set to become a Radiant. It takes more then being broken.
Elsecaller3414 she/her Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Exactly. If a man is broken and goes on to do evil stuff, there is no way that he would become a Radiant. Ever. Unless he changed, in which case he could, potentially become one. Only broken people that do good can become Radiants.
natc Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Well, strictly speaking most of the orders' attributes have nothing to do with doing good specifically. There's really a lot a skybreaker can get away with, and he'll be fine if he never breaks the law.
Sculpur Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 I always looked at the final events in the book associated with Moash as setting him up to move from Kaladin's to Shallan's department. He seems to regret those actions, but doesn't have a way of just going back, his hatered and actions will never go away, but some good lies could cover them, and if Mister T is involved with the Ghostbloods, they could have possible business relations. He looks like a good candidate for a squire of hers, or at least a supporter.
Elsecaller3414 she/her Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Well, strictly speaking most of the orders' attributes have nothing to do with doing good specifically. There's really a lot a skybreaker can get away with, and he'll be fine if he never breaks the law. I guess that is true. Some orders' values DO coincide with each other.
Loni she/her Posted April 22, 2015 Posted April 22, 2015 Is attempted murder/assassination breaking the law? If he doesn't give up the line of revenge, it would be convoluted to make assassination a legal choice. Even if we were to agree with Moash that Ellkohar is responsible for the deaths, it wasn't illegal - just unethical and bungled, which would make it impossible to seek justice according to law. So while there is a lot a Skybreaker can get away with, I don't know if it's enough to convince me that Moash will be one.
natc Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 Then there are the orders who don't really care about morality for the most part.
Elsecaller3414 she/her Posted April 23, 2015 Posted April 23, 2015 And there are the kinds that just don't care about life or anything else, they just play around and cause mischief like a windspren. I mean, why would that be an order? Is it to represent all "sort-of-kind-of-maybe" honorable or respectable kinds of people?
.S.A.M.K.M Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 if he is broken, could he be rebuilt in a purposely created knight radiant? if done right, alot of power to the one behind it.
natc Posted April 28, 2015 Posted April 28, 2015 And there are the kinds that just don't care about life or anything else, they just play around and cause mischief like a windspren. I mean, why would that be an order? Is it to represent all "sort-of-kind-of-maybe" honorable or respectable kinds of people? Well to be fair a lot of the spren that became part of the system might not even be Honor-aligned.
Elsecaller3414 she/her Posted April 29, 2015 Posted April 29, 2015 I am pretty sure that you are right about the spren. Syl didn't seem to like Pattern for that reason. The Cryptics are known as "lie-spren," so it is pretty certain that an Honor-aligned spren would not like them. Including Syl.
Nymeros Posted November 1, 2016 Posted November 1, 2016 I actually don't think Moash is being set up to be some big villain nor do I see him as evil. He did try to kill Kal to protect himself and hide his crime but he feels extremely guilty and took no joy. Hurting Kaladin was the last thing he wanted to do... Its just that he's a man of conviction. Kal wouldn't waver in opposing him so he acted. He's probably going to be the one to give us some insight into the workings of the Diagram and I think that he will eventually bond a spren and become a surgebinder. There is still the chance for redemption.
Krandacth Posted November 2, 2016 Posted November 2, 2016 Following the pattern I've noticed (the event that broke a proto-surgebinder involving the utter failure of their future order's ideals, more below), Moash is perfectly placed to become the series first confirmed Voidbinder, probably to a Vengence Spren or something similar. We only have two examples to work with at the moment, as we don't know what actually broke Shallan initially, but: Kaladin, obviously, Broke His Promise, failing to Protect Tien; Dalian let his brother die because he didn't Uphold the Codes, and in so doing started the Kingdom on it's path to Breaking (here, the opposite of Unifying). If we take the events of Shallan's flashbacks as a re-breaking, then we see the collapse of her family as the result of not Acknowledging the Truth behind a well-meaning Lie. Moash let friendship Stand In The Way of Vengence, but acted against that friendship enough for his eventual failure to take revenge to shake him to his core (that his betrayal had been for nothing seems to have been his greatest regret, not the betrayal itself). Assuming the initiation of a Voidbinding bond mirrors that of the Nahel, as suggested more generally of the two systems in the Ars Arcanum, Moash seems perfectly placed. --- Note, I didn't subscribe to this theory til about halfway through writing it 1
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