laxrulz777 he/him Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 So the very first Prophecy of Moelach says "The love of men is a frigid thing, a mountain stream only three steps from the ice. We are his. Oh Stormfather... We are his. It is but a thousand days, and the Everstorm comes." 1171, 1st, week of Palah, month of Shash I don't believe we have an exact date for the Everstorm but we know from the first Epigraph of WoR that it's between Tanateses, 1173 and Jeseses, 1174. The timelines aren't clearly explained and they change form slightly over the course of the prophecies. First they concatenate the month and week (1171, 4th, Tanates = Tanat + Jes) and then they conflate all three (Tanateses = Tanat + Jes + Jes). For a variety of reasons (of which I can go into if anyone is curious) I believe the order is month/week/day (Tanateses is the 9th month, 1st week, 1st day). And, if that's the case, Vevishes and Ishashan provie that there's 10 months and 10 weeks (which, combined with the 5 days gets you a 500 day year). But that presents a problem. The prophecy above is about 130-230 days "off". The prophecy occurred on the 271st day of 1171 but the Everstorm occurred sometime between the 401st day of 1173 and the the 1st day of 1174. (For a variety of reasons, I think it happened on the last day of 1173 but we don't actually have confirmation of that). That means that either A: something about my interpretation of the dates is wrong. I don't think this is the case but I'm willing to be educated if someone has thoughts B: the prophecy is sort of a "double" prophecy in which case the recorded vision is actually of something 130-230 days after the recording date and THAT even is projecting the "1000 day" timeline. The latter seems convoluted but appears the more likely so I'm curious if anyone has candidates for what event actually occurred EXACTLY 1000 days prior to the Everstorm? Kaladin's betrayal by Amaram seems to fit contextually (love of man... frigid) but that occurred 1-1.5 years before the Everstorm. Likewise, Gavilar's assassination is too far back so it doesn't work either. Any suggestions on what the actual prophecied event is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eilemelie Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 "It is but a thousand days, and the Everstorm comes." could be interpreted in two ways. One is that the Everstorm comes in a thousand days, this being the one you took for granted, but I'm pretty sure one could also an other one. For some reason the comma puts me on the path of those being two different things; the Everstorm is coming and an other important thing will happen in just 2 Roshar years (to the day!) If my interpretation is true then we will need to look at something that happens the 271st day of 1173. This might be worth doing just to see if there is any reason to believe more in either interpretation. Does anyone have a timeline at hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter he/him Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 The timeline of events for WoR has actually been, mostly, worked out here. So the date of the summoning of the everstorm is known to be Ishishach 1173 (10-10-3). We did know how the dates were constructed, but congrats on figuring that out for yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxrulz777 he/him Posted March 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 The timeline of events for WoR has actually been, mostly, worked out here. So the date of the summoning of the everstorm is known to be Ishishach 1173 (10-10-3). We did know how the dates were constructed, but congrats on figuring that out for yourself! I figured someone had already worked out the dates. I was more interested in the 1000 days clause because it doesn't seem to make sense. Thanks for the time line link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxrulz777 he/him Posted March 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 "It is but a thousand days, and the Everstorm comes." could be interpreted in two ways. One is that the Everstorm comes in a thousand days, this being the one you took for granted, but I'm pretty sure one could also an other one. For some reason the comma puts me on the path of those being two different things; the Everstorm is coming and an other important thing will happen in just 2 Roshar years (to the day!) If my interpretation is true then we will need to look at something that happens the 271st day of 1173. This might be worth doing just to see if there is any reason to believe more in either interpretation. Does anyone have a timeline at hand? That's an interesting thought and I hadn't considered it. So there's either a 403, 1171 event or a 273, 1173 event. I'll need to do some research tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Ninja he/him Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I made two timelines, one that's open to editing by anyone: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QI4vq9IWpTodHXan2SOWmygzU1QVRw3c5uShUOoKMBI/edit?pli=1#gid=1 Not too sure why someone changed the date for WoK chapters 59, 62, and 63 in that one though. There's definitely a line in ch 64 before the battle for the Tower where Kaladin thinks that they've had 10 days to practice with the Parshendi carapace armor. And seeing as the additional suits of armor were only made in 63... Ten days, with six bridge runs, had allowed Kaladin and his team to perfect their method. Five men to be decoys with five more in the front holding shields and using only one arm to support the bridge. Their numbers were augmented by the wounded they’d saved from other crews, now strong enough to help carry. Anyways, the timeline before the end of WoK is a bit shaky, I've got another post for that here.(Same one as in my signature.) But the main thing to remember is that the vast majority of WoK takes place in a two month stretch beginning either around the middle or near the end of the 7th month of 1173 with Kaladin's arrival in the warcamps. So yeah, the 1000 days epigraph has bothered me for a while now, because 1173-6-5-1 takes place between the most recent flashbacks and the start of the actual series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxrulz777 he/him Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Does anyone have a timeline (even an approximation) that goes back further? I think the idea that Eilemelie put forward is intriguing. That there's an event 1000 days from the date of the prophecy (271st day of 1173) that is important (maybe something that makes the Everstorm inevitable?). Could it be Kaladin's arrival at the camp? Or something going on with Dalinar? Seems like an interesting possibility... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Ninja he/him Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Does anyone have a timeline (even an approximation) that goes back further? I think the idea that Eilemelie put forward is intriguing. That there's an event 1000 days from the date of the prophecy (271st day of 1173) that is important (maybe something that makes the Everstorm inevitable?). Could it be Kaladin's arrival at the camp? Or something going on with Dalinar? Seems like an interesting possibility... That is literally the topic of the bottom half of my post, just above yours, between your post from yesterday and this quoted post. Kaladin arrives in the warcamps either in the middle or near the end of the 7th month, and WoK covers the 70-100 days to the battle of the Tower. 1173-6-5-1 could possibly relate to when the Parshendi scholars first got access to stormform and stormform spren, but it's pure speculation, since we don't have any viewpoints from near that date, or anyone who mentions precisely how long ago a particular event during a point in which we have a known date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxrulz777 he/him Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 That is literally the topic of the bottom half of my post, just above yours, between your post from yesterday and this quoted post. Kaladin arrives in the warcamps either in the middle or near the end of the 7th month, and WoK covers the 70-100 days to the battle of the Tower. 1173-6-5-1 could possibly relate to when the Parshendi scholars first got access to stormform and stormform spren, but it's pure speculation, since we don't have any viewpoints from near that date, or anyone who mentions precisely how long ago a particular event during a point in which we have a known date. lol... sorry... i saw the google doc link and didn't see the other link. Your thought about the stormform feels close to right for me... it would likeliy be around the right time... The other alterntaive (the one I'd originally thought to look for) is some event that fits the first half of the prophecy "The love of men is a frigid thing, a mountain stream only three steps from the ice. We are his..." that occurs on Ishishach, 1171. To my knowledge, there isn't anything that we know of that occurred at that time though we may learn more with Dalinar's flashbacks (for all we knowhe, that's when Dalinar started reading the book or something). The front part of the prophecy has to be a clue since it seems so unrelated (superficially) to the Everstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapledonut Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I find it unlikely that it is the discovery of Stormform. Looking back on the timeline, in I-9, Eshonia reflects that she turned two storms ago, her sister and soldiers turned last storm, and she has two more before the weeping. Now, looking at the Epigraph for Chapter 88 of Words of Radiance and comparing it to the text, we have the dates of every high storm from 1173 09 06 05 until the Everstorm on 1173 10 10 03. This places Eshonai's transformation on 1173 10 02 05. Words of Radience takes place all after 1173 09 04 01, and the date we need (1000 days after the prophecy) would be 1173 06 05 01, or (1000 days before the everstorm) 1171 10 10 03. Kaladin's arrival at the Shattered Plains has been calculated (not by me personally) to be around 1173 07 or 1173 08. This seems more likely. Or could it be when Syl first found him? No, she saw him before he was a slave. The only thing he was doing a month or two before arriving on the shattered plains would be getting there, or his most recent escape attempt. Maybe it has to do with when their bond fully formed? I think it is more likely referring to the 1173 06 05 01 date, as 1171 is before the events of Way of Kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krandacth Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I feel this is likely a Renarin PoV rattle, as it predicts to the Everstorm, and we know he has been progressing slowly with Glys since before WoK. We also know he feels ostracised, despite being loved by Dalinar more than Adolin. In fact, unconditional love from someone coupled with feeling that you are a disappointment to them can serve to make you feel more separated from them. Maybe there was an event 2 years before the Everstorm, to be revealed through exposition or a flashback, that highlighted this to Renarin. On the other hand, the first part of the rattle sounds like Shallan and her father, with his actions of love for her (taking the blame for his wife's death) leading to his succumbing to what is often described as a cold rage. Also, Shallan and her brothers are 'his', in that she frequently talks about him 'never letting go of anything', and they are completely at his mercy. How do Shallan's flashbacks fit onto the timeline? Are any approximately 2 years before the Everstorm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Krandacth said: I feel this is likely a Renarin PoV rattle, as it predicts to the Everstorm, and we know he has been progressing slowly with Glys since before WoK. We also know he feels ostracised, despite being loved by Dalinar more than Adolin. In fact, unconditional love from someone coupled with feeling that you are a disappointment to them can serve to make you feel more separated from them. Maybe there was an event 2 years before the Everstorm, to be revealed through exposition or a flashback, that highlighted this to Renarin. Just a small side step here because I enjoy those conversations... By unconditionally loving Renarin, I feel Dalinar refused to put any expectations onto this youngest son, he refused to give him any responsibilities. So yes, he loved him greatly, probably more than Adolin, but it might be so Renarin, when seeing his father raise the bar impossibly high for his brother, saw it as a proof of his own unworthiness and not one of love. I find it intrinsically fascinating one son feels ostracized for not being ask to fulfill any tasks while the other is crumbling over the weight of them thinking if his father doesn't give him any "attention", it must be because he isn't good enough, yet. I thought it was relevant to this comment. End of side step. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mapledonut Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 It seems like trying to put the first part of the prophecy in place as any one event is wrong. I think it's about the love of men as a whole. In the end of WoR, Hoid says that God is in the hearts of men I think it's more like that. I think saying it's Shallan and her father or Renarin or Ameram is taking it too literally. I agree that it's likely something to do with a flashback that we haven't seen, unless we're just barking up the wrong tree entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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