Patrick Star Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 @Kevintheherdazian The point is that a Skybreaker would be under no such obligation, and in many kingdoms would be breaking the law by protecting a murderer. From anything. As such, a Windrunner's oaths would conflict with a Skybreakers, so it would be impossible for a radiant to bond a highspren and an honorspren. Do you see what I'm saying? Sorry if I'm not explaining it well. 1
Bort he/him Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 I see a combination of Windrunner and Skybreaker as someone who studies law, then gets laws changed to protect the innocent. They still get to uphold the law, but now the law does what is right. 1
Blaze1616 he/him Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 I see a combination of Windrunner and Skybreaker as someone who studies law, then gets laws changed to protect the innocent. They still get to uphold the law, but now the law does what is right. I don't think it is possible. If the oaths were fluid, and could be bent and allowed some leeway, perhaps you could be right. But we know that's not how it works. The second oath of the Skybreakers is to put the "law above all else." This means following the laws regardless of what is right. That's not what the Windrunners are about at all. They are about doing what is right, regardless of anything else. There will, hopefully, be some overlap between the two if just laws are in place, but it is pretty easy to see where the two would clash. Brandon's talked a bit about bonding multiple spren. Basically, you would need to abide by BOTH sets of oaths. So, any radiant could bond with a cryptic in addition to their regular spren, as Lightweavers only have oaths (same goes for lightweavers bonding another order's spren). A windrunner could likely also be a bondsmith, but definitely not a dustbringer or skybreaker. Those three can't coexist, due to their oaths. The edgedancer and truthwatcher orders would likely be somewhat interchangeable with the other 7 as well. Emphasis mine. I don't quite agree with this. All it seems to take to become a Lightweaver is to be a creative sort, and harbor some pretty wicked secrets. If what you say is true, then there would most likely be a lot of double Radiants, yet we have heard nothing in world suggesting that it was a thing. I think the Spren have something to do with this too. By that, I mean I think the spren of the two orders would need to get along, and no spren seem to like the Cryptics. In addition, Syl doesn't like highspren (and for good reason as I've discussed above). I don't think it is just being able to abide by both oaths. I also think it is a lot harder to abide by more than one oath set than you seem to think. That being said, we just don't know until more oaths are revealed to us. Hopefully the next book will give us some Elsecaller, Truthwatcher, Bondsmith, and Edgedancer oaths to add to our list. 1
Patrick Star Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 I don't quite agree with this. All it seems to take to become a Lightweaver is to be a creative sort, and harbor some pretty wicked secrets. If what you say is true, then there would most likely be a lot of double Radiants, yet we have heard nothing in world suggesting that it was a thing. I think the Spren have something to do with this too. By that, I mean I think the spren of the two orders would need to get along, and no spren seem to like the Cryptics. In addition, Syl doesn't like highspren (and for good reason as I've discussed above). I don't think it is just being able to abide by both oaths. I also think it is a lot harder to abide by more than one oath set than you seem to think. That being said, we just don't know until more oaths are revealed to us. Hopefully the next book will give us some Elsecaller, Truthwatcher, Bondsmith, and Edgedancer oaths to add to our list. My bad! I meant TRUTHS, not OATHS. Sorry about that. My point was that if a radiant had the personality to attract a cryptic in addition to their current spren, there would be no conflict between oaths, since lightweavers don't have any oaths past the generic oath 1. 1
Blaze1616 he/him Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 My bad! I meant TRUTHS, not OATHS. Sorry about that. My point was that if a radiant had the personality to attract a cryptic in addition to their current spren, there would be no conflict between oaths, since lightweavers don't have any oaths past the generic oath 1. I understood what you meant. I was saying I disagree, for the reasons I detailed, not because you typed "oaths" instead of "truths." It just doesn't make sense to me that multi-order Radiants are unheard of in the stories, which they should be if it is as simple as not having contradicting oaths. As I said, if it were so simple as that, then any Knight Radiant who happens to be creative and holds some potent secrets would be a Lightweaver as well as whatever else they were. Yet in world this is unheard of. It implies, to me, that there is more to it. 1
Wrath Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 I understood what you meant. I was saying I disagree, for the reasons I detailed, not because you typed "oaths" instead of "truths." It just doesn't make sense to me that multi-order Radiants are unheard of in the stories, which they should be if it is as simple as not having contradicting oaths. As I said, if it were so simple as that, then any Knight Radiant who happens to be creative and holds some potent secrets would be a Lightweaver as well as whatever else they were. Yet in world this is unheard of. It implies, to me, that there is more to it. The Knights Radiant didn't just consist of anyone who was slightly inclined towards honour or law or creativity or whatever the other Orders looked for in members. How many people truly excel in multiple fields? Kaladin has plenty of secrets and we know he has an artistic bent since he designed the Bridge Four tattoo, but you can't exactly compare that with what Shallan can do or how deeply her secrets have ruled her life. Likewise Shallan has acted to protect people, but it's not her primary characteristic by any means. To attract two different spren you'd have to be even more exceptional than a Knight Radiant already is. You'd have to be a Radiant Squared, a one-in-a-million individual. 1
natc Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Radiant squared huh. Next thing we know Odium is finally defeated by a Radiant^10. Somehow. Would be hilarious. 1
Shlee Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Nah, everyone knows Nightblood is going to be the one to destroy Odium. All by himself. While being on the wrong planet. 3
natc Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Nah, everyone knows Nightblood is going to be the one to destroy Odium. All by himself. While being on the wrong planet. Every Shard stares at Endowment."What has your system done?!? We have an ascendant SWORD hellbent on destroying everything that so much as jaywalks on a bad day! We've all done that before!" But seriously, we need to bind 10 spren to someone, then make him Ascend on Scadrial somehow so that he can make himself TLR-level Fullborn. After that find, what, 50,000 breath? For tenth heightening. Send him everywhere else and basically give him the pinnacle of magic in those places. THEN give him Odium-Nightblood. Then figure out how to fight that. Edited February 5, 2015 by natc 2
macros he/him Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Actually due to over lapping surges if you could pick the right 5 you could get away with all 10 surges on just 5 spren bonds. Slightly easier lol. 1
natc Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Actually due to over lapping surges if you could pick the right 5 you could get away with all 10 surges on just 5 spren bonds. Slightly easier lol. What if doubling on a surge makes it even stronger than before? 1
Wrath Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 What if doubling on a surge makes it even stronger than before? Or what if more spren = more Stormlight? Bond every single spren there is! 1
Patrick Star Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Or what if more spren = more Stormlight? Bond every single spren there is! Brandon RAFO'd when somebody asked if Radiants have gemhearts. If they do, that would present a physical barrier on the amount of stormlight somebody could hold. 1
LiquidBlue Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Going back to the original question, If a person bonded with two spren, I do not believe that the spren would or really could fuse into a single spren. Even when a person is bonded to a spren, the person and the spren are separate beings. Preservation and Sazed are not separate beings, so neither are Preservation, Ruin, and Sazed. That being said, I believe that there is a way to fuse splinters back together, but I don't think that it is as simple as having both bonded to the same person. 1
natc Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 How many spren would one need for Ascension, I wonder. . .
blad3mast3r he/him Posted February 6, 2015 Author Posted February 6, 2015 Yeah, we could try to reassemble Honor.......
Moogle Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Reassembling Honor would kill (likely) thousands of spren, if not more. I am definitely not for this! I happen to quite like Syl, and I'm sure her brothers and sisters are similarly wonderful. 1
natc Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Well, once we become Honor again we can try bringing them back, I guess. Though we'd just get murdered again.
Patrick Star Posted February 6, 2015 Posted February 6, 2015 Reassembling Honor would kill (likely) thousands of spren, if not more. I am definitely not for this! I happen to quite like Syl, and I'm sure her brothers and sisters are similarly wonderful. Yeah, I concur. After all, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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