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[The White Drake]

6 hours ago, Frustration said:

1. Your making a big deal out of the IRE from 300 years ago. Just because that's what they had to do then doesn't mean that's what has to happen now.

Unless you can find some evidence otherwise...

6 hours ago, Frustration said:

2. Just having investiture doesn't explain it actually, as otherwise Marasi had no reason to draw the Elendel Basin, or Riina to draw Lunar. Likewise it also leaves unexplained how Marasi's glow "stabilized, and then brightened" (TLM chapter 54). She shouldn't brighten if she only had access to the same level of power.

I think you mean Shai, not Marasi. And Aons are drawn based on geography, so it makes perfect sense they would have to do that. For the 'stabilized, then brightened', I'd assume that's the Soulstamp getting a grip. You're pushing a very specific idea on a thin basis here.

6 hours ago, Frustration said:

3. The key word in that WoB is "currently."

I noted that already. I checked the date and cross-referenced it with publication dates before posting. It is an Era 2 WoB (though not post Lost Metal). This would mean you're assuming they overcame something 'integral to the workings of Cosmere magic' in a period of five years based off the fluctuation in light level of an artificial Elantrian's skin.

I'm afraid WoB and book beat theory. It was a nice theory, but directly contradicted by both. They can't draw Dor directly from offworld.

Edited yesterday at 06:36 PM by The White Drake

[Frustration]

2 hours ago, The White Drake said:

Unless you can find some evidence otherwise...

I've listed it.

2 hours ago, The White Drake said:

I think you mean Shai, not Marasi. 

Yeah, lol.

2 hours ago, The White Drake said:

And Aons are drawn based on geography, so it makes perfect sense they would have to do that. 

Arelon's geography. There is no large concentration of Dor on Scadrial or Lunar to tune to the geography of those planets, and thus no reason for an Elantrian to draw them.

Indeed as we can see when they draw other aons, they use the standard shape based on Arelon.

2 hours ago, The White Drake said:

For the 'stabilized, then brightened', I'd assume that's the Soulstamp getting a grip. You're pushing a very specific idea on a thin basis here.

The glow stabilized and the brightened specifically after she drew the basin, which as an Aon did nothing else.

And besides that doesn't fit with what we know of soulstamps.

2 hours ago, The White Drake said:

I noted that already. I checked the date and cross-referenced it with publication dates before posting. It is an Era 2 WoB (though not post Lost Metal). This would mean you're assuming they overcame something 'integral to the workings of Cosmere magic' in a period of five years based off the fluctuation in light level of an artificial Elantrian's skin.

I'm afraid WoB and book beat theory. It was a nice theory, but directly contradicted by both. They can't draw Dor directly from offworld.

It's not contradicted by either.

[The White Drake]

On 7/5/2026 at 3:45 PM, Frustration said:

I've listed it.

No, you've provided theories. Theories alone lose out to what we see in a book, 300 years back or no.

On 7/5/2026 at 3:45 PM, Frustration said:

Arelon's geography. There is no large concentration of Dor on Scadrial or Lunar to tune to the geography of those planets, and thus no reason for an Elantrian to draw them.

Indeed as we can see when they draw other aons, they use the standard shape based on Arelon.

On 7/5/2026 at 3:45 PM, Frustration said:

The glow stabilized and the brightened specifically after she drew the basin, which as an Aon did nothing else.

And besides that doesn't fit with what we know of soulstamps.

This is still just speculation, including the assumption that the map Aon is drawn to tune to Investiture (it's more likely the 'hacking the system' Brandon has referred to that's necessary to get AonDor to work offworld at all). A geographical Aon and a light level fluctuation is not evidence of an inter-system Cognitive realm Investiture Connection.

On 7/5/2026 at 3:45 PM, Frustration said:

It's not contradicted by either.

What. I gave you a WoB asking directly if exactly what you were saying is possible, and the answer was no. I don't see how a contradiction can be any more clear.

'No, you cannot currently access the Dor anywhere else. The Dor is a big part of why magic on Sel is distinctive.'