Deadeyes without shardblades?

[Xabben]

In RoW, when a group of deadeyes begins gathering near Lasting Integrity, everyone seems to assume that all deadeyes correspond to Shardblades in the physical realm. However, is it possible that some deadeyes are not associated with a Shardblade at all? For example, could deadeyes be created by Radiants who had only sworn the First or Second Ideal? I've read some WoBs about the topic, and it seems that Brandon always assumes that deadeye = shardblade...

[Deception He/Him]

8 hours ago, Xabben said:

In RoW, when a group of deadeyes begins gathering near Lasting Integrity, everyone seems to assume that all deadeyes correspond to Shardblades in the physical realm. However, is it possible that some deadeyes are not associated with a Shardblade at all? For example, could deadeyes be created by Radiants who had only sworn the First or Second Ideal? I've read some WoBs about the topic, and it seems that Brandon always assumes that deadeye = shardblade...

It says somewhere in the books that if a shardblade is left alone for long enough, it disappears and only the deadeye remains.

@Frustration could you find us the quote? I'm too lazy 

[Cephandrious Maxtori Fae/Faer]

3 hours ago, Deception said:

@Frustration could you find us the quote? I'm too lazy 

It's WaT chapter 7, I think

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“No,” [Mayalaran] said. “People stop thinking about [Deadyed blades]. They fade away after centuries … to be lost. Their sword vanishes from your world, and they wander forever.”

The full relevant passage is in the spoiler box below

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A living Shardblade like Pattern never fully returned to Shadesmar while their Radiant was in the Physical Realm. Shallan would summon him as a Blade, and his little pattern form would fade from her skirt—or from wherever it was—and travel instantly to her as a Blade. When she dismissed that Blade, he’d appear as a little pattern again. He was only physical in Shadesmar right now because she’d traveled here through an Oathgate.
Deadeyes were different. When dismissed as Blades, they returned to Shadesmar to wander. Notum had told her once that they tended to stay near where the bearer of their Blade was in the Physical Realm. So many of them. Hundreds, living these terrible half lives. “We’ll help them, Maya,” Shallan said. “Once we figure out how to replicate the progress you’ve made.”
She nodded. Behind them, the Windrunners lowered Gallant back down. The horse snorted in annoyance. Or … could she really say it felt such emotions? Maybe she was being influenced too much by Adolin, who swore that Ryshadium had near-human levels of intelligence. Surely it wasn’t annoyed; it was just snorting the way horses did.
Maya continued to stare as another deadeye walked into the bizarre surf.
“Lost,” Maya whispered. “Those are lost Blades, Adolin.”
Adolin dismounted. “Lost Blades, Maya?”
“Swords,” she said. She still labored sometimes to speak. “In stone. In water. Lost. For so many, many years …”
“What happens to a Shardblade if it’s abandoned?” Shallan asked. “Like if a ship bearing a Shardbearer sinks?”
“It stays there forever,” Adolin said. “Maya, they wouldn’t be here if they’re lost. They’d be manifested as Blades in the real world.”
“No,” she said. “People stop thinking about them. They fade away after centuries … to be lost. Their sword vanishes from your world, and they wander forever.”

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Cephandrious Maxtori

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

14 hours ago, Xabben said:

For example, could deadeyes be created by Radiants who had only sworn the First or Second Ideal? I've read some WoBs about the topic, and it seems that Brandon always assumes that deadeye = shardblade...

I am not sure how much of a Bond the First Ideal actually is. So I doubt that that would create a Deadeye, but I can definitely See a second Ideal Radiant turning their spren into a Deadeye if they broke their oaths

[earthexile]

I think a spren who'd formed a Nahel bond but never manifested as a Blade would just become a Deadeye with no corresponding Blade in the Physical world. The Connection to the Physical that they need to manifest as a Blade is created by the advanced Nahel bond.

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

I don't think they become a deadeye before the 3rd ideal. If I remember right, a 1st or 2nd Radiant is considering abandoning their oath somewhere in the books and they say it won't make them a deadeye.

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

Well Kaladin nearly broke his Oath in WoR and if I remember correctly the Stormfather spoke about Kaladin killing Syl and At that Point being a Deadeye is he only form of Death the Spren know. 

But I would agree that a 1. Ideal radiant doesnt make a Deadeye if he breaks his oaths