Welcome, fellow cosmere socrateans

[TheUnInvestedCremling he/him....]

Welcome,

first of all i hope i get the topic forum right at least this time

anyways

recently at my college i learnt about the wonderful Socrates!

He kinda stuck to me so I decided i'd spread my admiration to y'all.

Type in bold for a statement

Type in italics for random comments that don't follow with the actual statement

To question a statement, just reply to it, you can reply to a reply to make a question chain. If it gets too chaotic (prob won't) i'll figure smthng out. 

statements can and arent restricted to the cosmere

 

I'll give the starting statement:

Kelsier is the strongest in the entirety of Mistborn 

Lets start questioning!

Edited May 26 by TheUnInvestedCremling
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[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

He died, so clearly not.

[GG0z He/Him]

But he didn’t, and he became the leader of ghostbloods

[Ink and Embers Any pronouns]

But they were outwitted by Shallan

[TheUnInvestedCremling he/him....]

But technically, that was the rosharan ghostbloods and not necessarily the entire group.

[GG0z He/Him]

But technically, Hoid beat Kelsier up when he was stuck at the Well.

[Keteᛕ He/Him/His]

But if you think about it, everything Hoid does makes the people he manages to actually beat up stronger

[Ink and Embers Any pronouns]

So Hoid would be more powerful on account of being able to make anyone else stronger 

[Keteᛕ He/Him/His]

But Hoid is usually only powerful when he uses tricky maneuvers rather than actual strength

[Ink and Embers Any pronouns]

But strength is relative

[Through the Living Potato He/Him]

But Hoid could only hurt Kelsier because of the Cognitive Shadow loophole.

[Keteᛕ He/Him/His]

But Hoid ignores loopholes, so that wouldn't change anything anyways

[GG0z He/Him]

But Hoid is a walking oxymoron, so by ignoring loopholes he doesn’t ignore them

[Keteᛕ He/Him/His]

But he treats life like a joke sometimes, so he will get off topic like this while doing more important things that don't require being powerful in the background.

[GG0z He/Him]

But he is a dawnshard

[Keteᛕ He/Him/His]

WaT Spoiler

Spoiler

was a dawnshard

 

Edited May 27 by Through The Living Ketek

[GG0z He/Him]

Sunlit man spoiler

Spoiler

Is a Dawnshard

 

[Keteᛕ He/Him/His]

Just now, GG0z said:

Sunlit man spoiler

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Is a Dawnshard

 

Sunlit Man/personal theory

Spoiler

Hoid still has said Dawnshard (Exist). However, because all the Dawnshards are unique, and in turn probably give different types of effects, the Exist Dawnshard may not be as powerful as it is sustaining. Sustainability and power are very different; one can be relied on while another relies on.

 

[GG0z He/Him]

1 minute ago, Through The Living Ketek said:

Sunlit Man/personal theory

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Hoid still has said Dawnshard (Exist). However, because all the Dawnshards are unique, and in turn probably give different types of effects, the Exist Dawnshard may not be as powerful as it is sustaining. Sustainability and power are very different; one can be relied on while another relies on.

 

Expansion/Criticism

Spoiler

All the dawnshards leave a trace on its holder. For Sig/Nomad/Zellion, it is his Torment

 

[Keteᛕ He/Him/His]

But, if you look at the big picture, power is a complex term. Power can be different types: mental, physical, spiritual; and also is relative, seeing as even within just mistborn,

Mistborn spoilers

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there are 4 godlike entities (Preservation, Ruin, Harmony/Discord, and Autonomy/Trell)

So what do we really mean by power?

[GG0z He/Him]

The ability to control others through some sort of strength or other attribute?

[Keteᛕ He/Him/His]

In that case, soothers and rioters would be the most powerful.

[GG0z He/Him]

Who says they aren’t?

[Through the Living Potato He/Him]

The guy with the tinfoil hat.

[GG0z He/Him]

Probably aluminum hat, if you think about it…