Colors Posted April 15 Posted April 15 We know that a shardplate helm can help shield the wearer's mind from emotional allomancy per WOB, similar to how a coppercloud can. We also know that a coppercloud and an aviar like Kokerlii produce a similar effect, also per WOB. Thus, could wearing shardplate including a helm, make the wearer undetectable to creatures who hunt via sensing the mind, like nightmaws?
Treamayne Posted April 15 Posted April 15 4 hours ago, Colors said: We know that a shardplate helm can help shield the wearer's mind from emotional allomancy per WOB, similar to how a coppercloud can. We also know that a coppercloud and an aviar like Kokerlii produce a similar effect, also per WOB. Thus, could wearing shardplate including a helm, make the wearer undetectable to creatures who hunt via sensing the mind, like nightmaws? Likely yes, assuming you mean wearing the whole plate with helm, not wearing a helm without the rest of the Plate. WoB: Spoiler Argent We know that you can't Lash people in Shardplate, but can you Lash the person inside the Plate? If they had their helm off, for example. At that point Plate should be just dead weight, right? Brandon Sanderson There's a bit of an interference envelope. Wearing plate, the person has this big ball of investiture around them, and so pushing any through it--even by touching a person without a helm--is going to be tough. Easier than with the helm on though, I suppose. Investiture acts (roughly) like a saturated solution in these cases. Sticking more power into something like a Feruchemical storage or a hyper-invested object like Plate is increasingly hard. The other part is that Investiture tends to interfere with other Investiture, unless there's a familiar resonance. (This is part of what philosophers call Identity.) Slapping your hand through a sand master's stream of sand will cause interference, and make them start to drop. It's not that the sand is supporting them, it's that the investiture holding them up gets scrambled for a moment because of your own investiture. Investiture pushed toward someone inside a hyper-invested (supersaturated) system like a person in Shardplate is going to get hard push-back. This is similar to the reason that it's harder to Push on invested coins. Depends on how invested they are, in that case. It's generally not as hard as doing something like Lashing a person in plate. (This is more about the interference than the saturation of investiture.) But the two principles are what I use to guide the physics in these areas. <edited for length and relevance> Stormlight Three Update #4 (Nov. 2, 2016)
Colors Posted April 16 Author Posted April 16 8 hours ago, Treamayne said: Likely yes, assuming you mean wearing the whole plate with helm, not wearing a helm without the rest of the Plate. WoB: Hide contents Argent We know that you can't Lash people in Shardplate, but can you Lash the person inside the Plate? If they had their helm off, for example. At that point Plate should be just dead weight, right? Brandon Sanderson There's a bit of an interference envelope. Wearing plate, the person has this big ball of investiture around them, and so pushing any through it--even by touching a person without a helm--is going to be tough. Easier than with the helm on though, I suppose. Investiture acts (roughly) like a saturated solution in these cases. Sticking more power into something like a Feruchemical storage or a hyper-invested object like Plate is increasingly hard. The other part is that Investiture tends to interfere with other Investiture, unless there's a familiar resonance. (This is part of what philosophers call Identity.) Slapping your hand through a sand master's stream of sand will cause interference, and make them start to drop. It's not that the sand is supporting them, it's that the investiture holding them up gets scrambled for a moment because of your own investiture. Investiture pushed toward someone inside a hyper-invested (supersaturated) system like a person in Shardplate is going to get hard push-back. This is similar to the reason that it's harder to Push on invested coins. Depends on how invested they are, in that case. It's generally not as hard as doing something like Lashing a person in plate. (This is more about the interference than the saturation of investiture.) But the two principles are what I use to guide the physics in these areas. <edited for length and relevance> Stormlight Three Update #4 (Nov. 2, 2016) I intended the entire suit, including the helm, but focused on the helm specifically as per the WOB it is the helm specifically that would particularly important with emotional allomancy.
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