Theoretically, could Lift go to the Spirit Shores? What about the heralds little vacation (their vision)?

[Serenelle She/Her]

So, this may sound a little bit ridiculous, and don't get me wrong it is, but hear me out. What if Lift could go to the Spirit Shores? I believe that Hoid and Lift have something in common, in which they both can somehow break into the spiritual realm places somehow, maybe through like an anchor. And don't ask me how my brain got here, trust me, you don't even want to know.

Also I didn't know whether to to put this in Cosmere or Stormlight, so I'm putting it in Cosmere because this is pulling information from both Emberdark and Stormlight, but I'll put a spoiler warning for any spoilers for Isles of the Emberdark, and forgive me if I put this in the wrong topic.

 

Lift

I was thinking about what Lifts role would be in the back half of Stormlight Archive, she's obviously very important seeing as she is going to be a flashback character. I was mainly contemplating what her boon and curse is. Now, Cultivation did a number of weird things to her, like her existing partly in the cognitive realm and being able to convert mass to investiture (lifelight), but one of the most interesting to me is why she can just go into the Stormfathers visions. I don't know how or why, but my guess is that she has some sort of weird connection to the spiritual realm, which allows her to go into places of the spiritual realm.

 

Hoid

Something I found interesting was that Hoid could go into Odium's visions somehow. In Rhythm of War, he goes into the vision that Odium sets up for Kaladin to try to break him.

Isles of the Emberdark Spoilers:

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Additionally, he goes into the spirit shores to seek out Frost somehow, and Starling is unable to find out how he does this. I think there is a correlation to Lift in this regard, that they can both go into the spiritual realm places. So using this same logic, could Lift go into the Spirit Shores as Hoid does?

How do they do it?

I was thinking that maybe they would use some sort of anchor to bring them into the place they want to go in the spiritual realm just like when Dalinar and Navani go into different visions in Wind and Truth. Also Lift mentions she could enter the visions because Dalinar was there to guide her, so he could have been a possible anchor somehow?

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And also I could see Hoid easily being able to get an anchor to go to the spirit shores, he has a lot of dragon friends. So, because I think Hoid and Lift have something similar going on, I think Lift could theoretically go into the Spirit Shores as Hoid does.

Could Lift go to the Heralds little Vacation Home?

I think using this same logic that Lift could theoretically break into the heralds visions. I mean, if she needs some sort of anchor that would be easy, because she could get something from her Nale hunting days. Now if that happened, it would make the already bad sitcom worse.

 

Now, none of this stuff is actually going to happen obviously, and again, don't ask how my mind got to this.

What do you think of this theory? Is it stupid, is it completely implausible and did I miss something that completely debunks it? Have people already thought of the same things as I did? Feel free to trash on this crappy theory all you want, because until then this is going to be stuck in my head.

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

58 minutes ago, Serenelle said:

So, this may sound a little bit ridiculous, and don't get me wrong it is, but hear me out. What if Lift could go to the Spirit Shores? I believe that Hoid and Lift have something in common, in which they both can somehow break into the spiritual realm places somehow, maybe through like an anchor. And don't ask me how my brain got here, trust me, you don't even want to know.

Also I didn't know whether to to put this in Cosmere or Stormlight, so I'm putting it in Cosmere because this is pulling information from both Emberdark and Stormlight, but I'll put a spoiler warning for any spoilers for Isles of the Emberdark, and forgive me if I put this in the wrong topic.

 

Lift

I was thinking about what Lifts role would be in the back half of Stormlight Archive, she's obviously very important seeing as she is going to be a flashback character. I was mainly contemplating what her boon and curse is. Now, Cultivation did a number of weird things to her, like her existing partly in the cognitive realm and being able to convert mass to investiture (lifelight), but one of the most interesting to me is why she can just go into the Stormfathers visions. I don't know how or why, but my guess is that she has some sort of weird connection to the spiritual realm, which allows her to go into places of the spiritual realm.

 

Hoid

Something I found interesting was that Hoid could go into Odium's visions somehow. In Rhythm of War, he goes into the vision that Odium sets up for Kaladin to try to break him.

Isles of the Emberdark Spoilers:

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Additionally, he goes into the spirit shores to seek out Frost somehow, and Starling is unable to find out how he does this. I think there is a correlation to Lift in this regard, that they can both go into the spiritual realm places. So using this same logic, could Lift go into the Spirit Shores as Hoid does?

How do they do it?

I was thinking that maybe they would use some sort of anchor to bring them into the place they want to go in the spiritual realm just like when Dalinar and Navani go into different visions in Wind and Truth. Also Lift mentions she could enter the visions because Dalinar was there to guide her, so he could have been a possible anchor somehow?

Spoilers for Emberdark:

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And also I could see Hoid easily being able to get an anchor to go to the spirit shores, he has a lot of dragon friends. So, because I think Hoid and Lift have something similar going on, I think Lift could theoretically go into the Spirit Shores as Hoid does.

Could Lift go to the Heralds little Vacation Home?

I think using this same logic that Lift could theoretically break into the heralds visions. I mean, if she needs some sort of anchor that would be easy, because she could get something from her Nale hunting days. Now if that happened, it would make the already bad sitcom worse.

 

Now, none of this stuff is actually going to happen obviously, and again, don't ask how my mind got to this.

What do you think of this theory? Is it stupid, is it completely implausible and did I miss something that completely debunks it? Have people already thought of the same things as I did? Feel free to trash on this crappy theory all you want, because until then this is going to be stuck in my head.

I'd honestly love to see Nale react to Lift squirming her way into a vision in the SR. She probably hear about it somehow and say "I'm not supposed to be able to go there? Sounds like I should try to go there."

I would say she could probably visit the Heralds, and maybe the Spirit Shores if she was Connected to someone, and they went there. She might have enough of a connection to Kaladin or Nale to travel there, despite how small that connection may be since she probably had almost no Connection to Dalinar.

We don't know why Hoid can go to the Spirit Shores, it may be an ability he picked up in the past or he could go because Starling was there.

[Myst He/Him]

31 minutes ago, Through The Living Grub said:

I'd honestly love to see Nale react to Lift squirming her way into a vision in the SR. She probably hear about it somehow and say "I'm not supposed to be able to go there? Sounds like I should try to go there."

I would say she could probably visit the Heralds, and maybe the Spirit Shores if she was Connected to someone, and they went there. She might have enough of a connection to Kaladin or Nale to travel there, despite how small that connection may be since she probably had almost no Connection to Dalinar.

We don't know why Hoid can go to the Spirit Shores, it may be an ability he picked up in the past or he could go because Starling was there.

Well, we know he has an anchor, 

WaT

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At the end of WaT, Hoid uses a Dragonbone to reach the shores and communicate with people there to find out what Dalinar’s plan was.

So we know what his anchor was, which means Lift could probably do it, and makes it much more likely that Lift could get to other places.

I don’t think she could get to the Heralds though, not only does she think Kaladin is dead(Szeth thinks so and no one else can contradict him) so she would have no reason to try it. But, if she did, and she had an invested anchor, then yeah, she could