Sapphire Elephant Posted January 6 Posted January 6 23 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Stormseeker the Responsible brightened. "Ah yes that would be perfect!" He said as he whipped out a scroll and pen and wrote a contract for the terms. As he was about to sign, he looked at Klin, "wait a minute. I currently have an outstanding debt Im paying off for my previous spaceship..." Stormseeker paused for a second and frowned, "Luckily I crashed it, as otherwise I wouldnt be here... but that does mean I currently am paying off an outstanding debt of about 350 million boxings... That won't be a problem will it?" I interpreted this as Dragonfly saying they wanted to vote on you but its pointless as no one else has voted on you "Nah, you have ways to get more money. When you go back to Nalthis, you can charge people to send you art. That way, you'll get rid of your debt in no time." ~ I'm going to sleep. See ya'll in Night 1.
Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Ok got a bit of extra time tonight so going to see how far I get continuing my thoughts on players from this post Hmm I should start documenting my notes in sheets like I used to... that'd be helpful. Especially with keeping track of names xD https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/201696-ag12an16-day-one-the-regards-of-the-raiders-of-ruin/page/4/#findComment-2019586 Spoiler Toupe Gecko: refers to themselves in third person o7. Asks for a summary of where votes are which i dont think anyone did. Votes on Dragonfly as all votes are equal and hard to read dragonfly. Feels like a cop-out as there are players you could try and solve and instead targeting someone you cant. I also do think Drsgonfly has been posting game content despite their restrictions so I dont think this reasoning holds up. Responds to Heron who was saying something similar by saying they dont have time for reads D1 which is fair. But again says Dragonfly isnt contributing much and I dont think thats a fair statement. Sunburst Toucan: Scarlet Octopus: Sapphire Elephant: Salmon Meerkat: I thought they had more than 3 posts for some reason. Basically 2 poke votes and a clarification. Not a lot to go on. Plum Rhinoceros: just joined the thread. Says will say more at night Pearl Chameleon: have they posted? Oxblood Beagle: mostly RP. Vote on Axolotl seems like a poke mostly -> big fan of how they are melding RP and analysis... oh you wanted me to say my reads of them? Nah im just here to say I enjoy reading your posts Opal Lion: have they posted? Magenta Albatross: gives 3 village reads and in their most recent post (20 hours ago) they keep their vote on their poke vote target which was made 16 hours and 2 pages earlier. Neutral for now though I wonder if they have any thoughts when they come back? @Magenta Albatross Violet Axolotl (5): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana on mobile so I cant change the formatting sorry. Also ive stayed up way too late. I'll finish this later. -------- (just to have some RP) After Stormseeker finished signing the paperwork and now happily has his 1 needed Breath for this week, he realized... wait... Scraf must also be hungry! After all, the more breaths he was "fed" the stronger and more capable he became. So Stormseeker offered that breath to Scraf. Well luckily he saw someone ahead who seemed to have a glow of investiture. Let's see if they could help! Hello good sir! Good to see you again! Stormseeker said to this mystery person with their back turned. "You wouldnt happen to have a Breath I could borrow wou-" He cut off as he all of a sudden needed to sneeze. Ah ah AHCHHOOO he sneezed right over @Saffron Iguana fur ejecting in all directions... which was weird as he is... or at least was human. Oh uhh my bad! Stormseeker says and quickly moves to speedwalk away (thats what you get for complaining about my dog hairs )
Sapphire Elephant Posted January 6 Posted January 6 57 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Ok got a bit of extra time tonight so going to see how far I get continuing my thoughts on players from this post Hmm I should start documenting my notes in sheets like I used to... that'd be helpful. Especially with keeping track of names xD https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/201696-ag12an16-day-one-the-regards-of-the-raiders-of-ruin/page/4/#findComment-2019586 Hide contents Toupe Gecko: refers to themselves in third person o7. Asks for a summary of where votes are which i dont think anyone did. Votes on Dragonfly as all votes are equal and hard to read dragonfly. Feels like a cop-out as there are players you could try and solve and instead targeting someone you cant. I also do think Drsgonfly has been posting game content despite their restrictions so I dont think this reasoning holds up. Responds to Heron who was saying something similar by saying they dont have time for reads D1 which is fair. But again says Dragonfly isnt contributing much and I dont think thats a fair statement. Sunburst Toucan: Scarlet Octopus: Sapphire Elephant: Salmon Meerkat: I thought they had more than 3 posts for some reason. Basically 2 poke votes and a clarification. Not a lot to go on. Plum Rhinoceros: just joined the thread. Says will say more at night Pearl Chameleon: have they posted? Oxblood Beagle: mostly RP. Vote on Axolotl seems like a poke mostly -> big fan of how they are melding RP and analysis... oh you wanted me to say my reads of them? Nah im just here to say I enjoy reading your posts Opal Lion: have they posted? Magenta Albatross: gives 3 village reads and in their most recent post (20 hours ago) they keep their vote on their poke vote target which was made 16 hours and 2 pages earlier. Neutral for now though I wonder if they have any thoughts when they come back? @Magenta Albatross Violet Axolotl (5): Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl, Taupe Gecko, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana on mobile so I cant change the formatting sorry. Also ive stayed up way too late. I'll finish this later. -------- (just to have some RP) After Stormseeker finished signing the paperwork and now happily has his 1 needed Breath for this week, he realized... wait... Scraf must also be hungry! After all, the more breaths he was "fed" the stronger and more capable he became. So Stormseeker offered that breath to Scraf. Well luckily he saw someone ahead who seemed to have a glow of investiture. Let's see if they could help! Hello good sir! Good to see you again! Stormseeker said to this mystery person with their back turned. "You wouldnt happen to have a Breath I could borrow wou-" He cut off as he all of a sudden needed to sneeze. Ah ah AHCHHOOO he sneezed right over @Saffron Iguana fur ejecting in all directions... which was weird as he is... or at least was human. Oh uhh my bad! Stormseeker says and quickly moves to speedwalk away (thats what you get for complaining about my dog hairs ) Klin accepted the papers. "When you get back to Nalthis, remember me," he said before yawning. ~ Probably for real this time, I shall be off.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Levin paced across the deck of the ship. There had been a lot of discussion and the time was drawing near for one of the passengers under suspicion to be thrown overboard the SS TYRIAN. 10 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: Fletcher frowns. "I didn't think much of it, I guess. I'm a bit suspicious of dragonfly, it could just be preference, but his way of speaking allows him to say things that could mean a lot, or might not." I'm gonna switch my vote from Sage Kangaroo to Ivory Dragonfly 5 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: I will honestly say that I don't have firm reasoning there. I am mainly just voting who I think is slight e!lean, but my reason skills are not good. And I will not lie, there are many voting dragonfly, and voting him above the others is an act of self-preservation, as it decreases the chances I get voted out. I realize that saying that may give me a huge e!lean, but I don't want to be voted out. He considered what the Axolotl had said. He felt iffy about it and so he asked, "Why did you not mention that it was an act of self-preservation to accuse Dragonfly in the first place? It felt oddly convenient that you accused him at a time when the eyes of the others were on you." 8 hours ago, Taupe Gecko said: last game made me respect Tyrian ties. "Are these truly beneficial?" he inquired. Levin recalled a story. A tale of a proxy war between Ruin and Preservation. The Spiked, who had infiltrated the quaint village had used the townsfolk's indecision to their advantage and ensured that the innocent would be placed on the gallows rather than one of their own. 7 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said: In particular, Scarlet Octo hasn't really given much more past their original vote, despite things changing a bit since then. Seems like a "I found an easy vote so I'll just sit on it" kinda attitude. Not that I'm one to talk, but what can you do. "Reasonable," he commented. "I would say the same could be said as well with the Meerkat, who has not rejoined us after pointing a finger toward the Kangaroo. That is something I am also taking note of."
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Am I legit tripping or has the meta changed this much since the last time I played a forum mafia game that a doctor claim is not actually being factored into assessments of the merits of the votestate? Like I get it since if DF is self-pressing on Axl, that's a Axl goes over world, it's just also kind of close given Rioting and it's weirding me out that I seem to be the only bird going "Hey, should we be sleepwalking into this?" Why are we considering D1ing a doctor? Genuinely, am I crazy now? Have I walked into ersatz world? Am I so sleep-deprived my brain isn't working anymore? I @ Weasel mostly because I wanted a sanity check and all I'm feeling is increasingly insane at this point. (I guess this is more induced by reading the most recent posts, esp. Flamingo, Axl, Dingo, because rn if we do not want to exe Axl, we are left with the closest CW being DF (!!!!) unless we agree on a CW to avoid this, e.g. Kanga.) 5 hours ago, Melon Dingo said: I interpreted this as Dragonfly saying they wanted to vote on you but its pointless as no one else has voted on you Fair catch. 32 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: "Are these truly beneficial?" he inquired. Levin recalled a story. A tale of a proxy war between Ruin and Preservation. The Spiked, who had infiltrated the quaint village had used the townsfolk's indecision to their advantage and ensured that the innocent would be placed on the gallows rather than one of their own. Not really. They're better off when you can read where the votes are going but in terms of raw results, not particularly. 6 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: And I will not lie, there are many voting dragonfly, and voting him above the others is an act of self-preservation, as it decreases the chances I get voted out. Ok but... ....Something I'm trying to work out. Does E!Axl self-pres on a claimed V!Lurcher? (In the world they're E/E, do they just pres on each other like this? Kind of have to, right, but I am also a bit unsure given that the claim from DF in that world feels unforced.) Between the two of them I lean better on DF, I just don't know how I feel about two factors: -It's a self-admitted raw self-pres vote from Axl ( @Oxblood Beagle I note that Axl also did state slight Elim vibes so minimally they're hedgy on how they feel about it) -Axl is very much okay staying alive and endangering a claimed Lurcher to do it - is Axl this confident about that E!read? Maybe I'm less confident than most, but there are worlds V!me hesitates to do this and either eats the exe or just begs for a third train and whatever happens happens. IDK this works with Axl's claimed confidence levels. -If Axl is a major village PR and can't be back, is this not the place to claim? Why isn't Axl claiming against DF in self-pressing? (These are Axl-exclusive questions, I've already broken my brain trying to work out DF in a separate post begging for a SAN check.) I've re-read the rules and finally internalised that this setting has kandra (wtf) as a separate Forger type role rather than, IDK, cosmetic stuff. I don't know how this interfaces with my reasoning here since this requires a lot of assumptions about the game's distro so I'm just not touching it at this point; I just don't remotely want us to be relying on the idea a Village kandra will get it so we're fine because there may not be one, among other scenarios.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 When H.E.A.R.T.H disconnected in the morning, it was met with a present surprise; the day was not yet over. The bouts of unconsciousness must not have consumed as much battery as it expected, and while many others had already retreated to their quarters, H.E.A.R.T.H still had two hours left to make a decision. Two hours left to save - or doom - a life. 8 hours ago, Ivory Dragonfly said: This madness Echo Unable to stand the clamor any longer Sunburst Tucan Indigo Weasel Utterly useless The topic of discussion is Indigo Weasel Violet Axolotl Pressure forced reaction One that increased clarity There was no time anymore This is my proclamation Echo Metal H.E.A.R.T.H was, once again, confused by Echo's speech. 7 hours ago, Onyx Flamingo said: The reason I am suspicous of you is because of the reason you are suspicous of Dragonfly. From what I have gathered, (and I might be wrong, please correct me if so) you're 'reasoning' for dragonfly is either 1. His 'way of speaking' (which was decided before e! or v! was placed) which if it really 'could just be preference' than why would you use that reasoning to try and build on a train? That's poke vote logic not get someone voted out logic 2. That could have just been an RP justification, but if so, where's your real one? I am willing to ignore all of 1 if you just tell us Violet Axolotl's reasoning, not Fletcher's. (Or maybe you are just an elim using this to build a train) Either way, suspicous. H.E.A.R.T.H heard Frisk's words, and resonatesdwith them. The example they included of Fletcher's behavior was indeed suspicious - and seems to follow a trend of opportunistic climbs on the Dragonfly train. Silently, H.E.A.R.T.H wondered whether a potential threat could have pushed the pileup, or whether the accusations are simply opportunistic - assuming, that is, the likelihood they come from those who are evil. While H.E.A.R.T.H did previously establish their unwillingness to analyze much the first day, in large part due to the mass of events they had missed, they were beginning to note certain trends. For one, merely reviewing very recent events, H.E.A.R.T.H did not like the behavior of the one called Weasel. 10 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said: Here, seems like potential TMI, how would they know that we have a messenger that’s not a Tineye? There’s no reason to assume that. Either Dragonfly is referencing themself this gives e!lean, but I’m lot convinced that dragonfly actually is yet, especially considering no indication of retaliation or counter trains until after I say my vote was a poke vote. In the case of this statement, H.E.A.R.T.H wasn't sure of the Dragonfly's intent itself - but didn't understand how an evildoer could have any more information than a villager in that specific situation. (OOC - how WOULD we have a messenger that's not a Tineye?) 10 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said: This seems to be an attack based on Rp, which was decided before we were given our roles and alignments. It’s possible that Dragonfly came up with their specific Rp because of how easy it is to mislead/avoid the question, but while it’s frustrating, doesn’t give any hints to whether E!lean or V!lean. So I think this is just Meerkat looking for an excuse to vote Dragonfly, E!lean. For a change, in this instance, H.E.A.R.T.H heavily agrees with the Weasel's reasoning; the statement quoted from Meerkat does indeed provide no seeming reasoning (yes, it is quite similar to the level H.E.A.R.T.H provided for the same statement, but H.E.A.R.T.H clearly established its intent as different to evil-slaying). (OOC - how did votes stand on Dragonfly at the time of that statement? It seems recent, so I'm assuming too volatile a situation for a poke vote) So why, in that case, did Weasel not attack Meerkat? Instead, they chose to attack another Dragonfly voter, who actually seemed to provide a stronger foundation of reasoning in H.E.A.R.T.H's view. Now, there was a heavy possibility that H.E.A.R.T.H was reading too much into this - pattern analysis told it that in this sort of situation, villagers tend to imagine or attribute more meaning than deserved to small acts to fuel their accusations once they make them. H.E.A.R.T.H did not want to fall into that trap - but still, it began to eye Weasel with suspicion. 7 hours ago, Onyx Flamingo said: Edit: And I do agree that Dragonfly's confusingness can and probably will be a problem, but it is there regardless of e! or v! lean H.E.A.R.T.H would like to make clear that it is in full agreement with this claim. 43 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: "Are these truly beneficial?" he inquired. Levin recalled a story. A tale of a proxy war between Ruin and Preservation. The Spiked, who had infiltrated the quaint village had used the townsfolk's indecision to their advantage and ensured that the innocent would be placed on the gallows rather than one of their own. H.E.A.R.T.H turned to Levin, the only one who had approached it after seeing it had awoken. "I know that story," H.E.A.R.T.H replied sagely. "It's a true classic, if obscure in these times. And with my memory logs, I recall that while that particular story did result in the triumph of Ruin - that early in its course, a seeming tie forced the Spiked to resort to emotional Allomancy to remain alive. Emotional Allomancy that, if well tracked by the village, could have allowed them to purge a monster from their ranks. It was not early indecision that doomed the people of Tyrian Falls - it was ignorance of what was right before them." 6 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Am I legit tripping or has the meta changed this much since the last time I played a forum mafia game that a doctor claim is not actually being factored into assessments of the merits of the votestate? Like I get it since if DF is self-pressing on Axl, that's a Axl goes over world, it's just also kind of close given Rioting and it's weirding me out that I seem to be the only bird going "Hey, should we be sleepwalking into this?" H.E.A.R.T.H was confused by the Heron's statement. "What do you mean? I am, I will admit, relatively new in function. What do you think we are sleepwalking into?" (OOC - so wait, by Doctor you mean Lurcher? Who here has claimed that?) 9 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Ok but... ....Something I'm trying to work out. Does E!Axl self-pres on a claimed V!Lurcher? (In the world they're E/E, do they just pres on each other like this? Kind of have to, right, but I am also a bit unsure given that the claim from DF in that world feels unforced.) Between the two of them I lean better on DF, I just don't know how I feel about two factors: -It's a self-admitted raw self-pres vote from Axl ( @Oxblood Beagle I note that Axl also did state slight Elim vibes so minimally they're hedgy on how they feel about it) -Axl is very much okay staying alive and endangering a claimed Lurcher to do it - is Axl this confident about that E!read? Maybe I'm less confident than most, but there are worlds V!me hesitates to do this and either eats the exe or just begs for a third train and whatever happens happens. IDK this works with Axl's claimed confidence levels. -If Axl is a major village PR and can't be back, is this not the place to claim? Why isn't Axl claiming against DF in self-pressing? (These are Axl-exclusive questions, I've already broken my brain trying to work out DF in a separate post begging for a SAN check.) I've re-read the rules and finally internalised that this setting has kandra (wtf) as a separate Forger type role rather than, IDK, cosmetic stuff. I don't know how this interfaces with my reasoning here since this requires a lot of assumptions about the game's distro so I'm just not touching it at this point; I just don't remotely want us to be relying on the idea a Village kandra will get it so we're fine because there may not be one, among other scenarios. H.E.A.R.T.H did have to admit all of that did sound somewhat concerning. So, if it understood correctly: Dragonfly was claiming to be a crewmember with crucial power (saving a life)? And Axl's behavior pressing a tie in self-pres was odd because even if self-pres is regularly justified it makes no sense to save a reg villager over a Lurcher unless Axl is hiding something? Of course, the Kandra ("wtf" ) did have the possibility to mitigate some risks. Observing the current count of accusations: VC: Violet Axolotl (5): Onyx Flamingo (no reasoning for DF attack), Mint Heron (attacking DF post Lurcher claim), Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly (self pres?) Sapphire Elephant (2): Sunburst Toucan, Oxblood Beagle Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel (weird hop on DF train) Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (4): Violet Axolotl (vibes, self pres), Taupe Gecko (uselessness), Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo (poke vote) Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana At this stage in time, considering a tie was ruined (and H.E.A.R.T.H heard Heron's concerns) H.E.A.R.T.H was inclined to back an alternate train on Indigo Weasel. H.E.A.R.T.H was fully aware of the potential uselessness of such an introduction so close to the moment of truth, yet it made it anyway. A lot of the votes on the table seemed to be early pokes - insubstantial in the long run - and the more it learned, the more it disliked the pileup on the Dragonfly. So it made a wild move. A gamble. A leap of faith. A leap of faith. A leap. Faith. The sky was blue. H.E.A.R.T.H stood at the edge of the ravine. It seemed so deep, from here. The river crashing at its bottom was wild, hungry. A single slip, and it would destroy him. He was afraid. He knew he was afraid. Then he looked up and saw her. She stood on the other side of the ravine. They were just kids, and she was laughing at him. She called him a coward, but he liked it. Even though he wasn't a coward. Jump, she yelled! I'll catch you! H.E.A.R.T.H laughed. She couldn't catch him. But still, he took a few steps back, and turned around. A couple deep breaths. Then her next taunt came, and he ran, and leapt.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Levin listened to the statements of other passengers. They had some valuable insight to share, of which could be decidedly helpful to him in being more critical. He was far from being an investigator, but he had always been thrilled by mysteries and trying to figure out the answer hidden veiled beyond the fog, so odd as it was, this unfortunate predicament proved to be an opportunity to have that experience. 36 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Am I legit tripping or has the meta changed this much since the last time I played a forum mafia game that a doctor claim is not actually being factored into assessments of the merits of the votestate? Like I get it since if DF is self-pressing on Axl, that's a Axl goes over world, it's just also kind of close given Rioting and it's weirding me out that I seem to be the only bird going "Hey, should we be sleepwalking into this?" Why are we considering D1ing a doctor? Genuinely, am I crazy now? Have I walked into ersatz world? Am I so sleep-deprived my brain isn't working anymore? I @ Weasel mostly because I wanted a sanity check and all I'm feeling is increasingly insane at this point. (I guess this is more induced by reading the most recent posts, esp. Flamingo, Axl, Dingo, because rn if we do not want to exe Axl, we are left with the closest CW being DF (!!!!) unless we agree on a CW to avoid this, e.g. Kanga.) "I do agree with your assessment. A potential saboteur Allomancer who burns Zinc is a worry I share," he responded. "My considerations for certain passengers being suspicious have remained the same as the Kangaroo, the Sapphire Elephant, and the Violet Axolotl have not given me much confidence to see them as innocent." He did wonder though if there was merit to organizing another option in the Kangaroo, if it would potentially draw out more information or if that ship had sailed at this juncture. 10 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: In the case of this statement, H.E.A.R.T.H wasn't sure of the Dragonfly's intent itself - but didn't understand how an evildoer could have any more information than a villager in that specific situation. (OOC - how WOULD we have a messenger that's not a Tineye?) "I did feel confused about that claim. His statement seemed to imply that one of the saboteurs was a Kandra, but a Kandra could not steal the identity of a Tineye if they were not onboard in the first place," he explained. "But, to answer your question, another possibility is that, there could be a Mistborn onboard and they brought vials of Tin to use."
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 @Taupe Gecko - hard to quote longposts on mobile sorry, post linked here. Gimmick is echoing people's words, they seem to be claiming Iron i.e. Mistborn or Lurcher. Look at the last four lines. My proclamation (statement) Echo (name, gimmick) Metal Iron This looks like a direct roleclaim to me. Axl's behaviour here is confusing me as a result. (If I've managed to confuse myself about what Iron does this is going to be so embarrassing...) @Oxblood Beagle - Depends on your assessment of train sizes. I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm.
Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 5 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: @Taupe Gecko - hard to quote longposts on mobile sorry, post linked here. Gimmick is echoing people's words, they seem to be claiming Iron i.e. Mistborn or Lurcher. Look at the last four lines. My proclamation (statement) Echo (name, gimmick) Metal Iron This looks like a direct roleclaim to me. Axl's behaviour here is confusing me as a result. (If I've managed to confuse myself about what Iron does this is going to be so embarrassing...) @Oxblood Beagle - Depends on your assessment of train sizes. I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm. Really groggy rn so hopefully this makes sense (idk why im awake rn) Wait I'm confused about where the lurcher claim Is coming from. I read the post and it said "Echo Metal" Not iron.
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Ninjaed by Dingo so c/p time. Edit: @Taupe Gecko Apologies speed read a bit. Basically yes - if I'm a regular, my instinct is to ask for third train or to eat the exe. Unless I am very sure DF is Evil claiming to stay alive longer, normally a Lurcher is not the most pressing D1 problem. If I'm a very valuable PR, keeping quiet and self-pressing in the hopes I stay alive... is *a* strategy, there's some risk, but at these train sizes and the votestate, staying alive by claiming is usually preferable since it forces the Elims to kill you and minimally creates reactions in thread that people can go back to read. (This is my other hesitation - I think more often than not Elims can struggle to hardpush a Village PR knowing they're screwed once the PR flips. Of course playstyle confounds this but for want of a better word, sincere dogmatic village fog-of-war can be hard to imitate confidently as an Elim - that's helpful too. So do I read Axl's soft push here as V or E? I am thinking aloud in part. It sticks out in my brain, I just DK if I feel confident of my thoughts and am looking for SAN checks.)
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Current vote count Violet Axolotl (6): Oxblood Beagle, Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana Sapphire Elephant (1): Sunburst Toucan Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (3): Violet Axolotl, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Indigo Weasel (1): Taupe Gecko
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, Melon Dingo said: Really groggy rn so hopefully this makes sense (idk why im awake rn) Wait I'm confused about where the lurcher claim Is coming from. I read the post and it said "Echo Metal" Not iron. They quoted Weasel's post with just the word Iron as the last line. I'd say go to the OG post rather than read a quote because quotes of quotes dp not show up. Edit: Hope this works. This is what I see. This is my proclamation Echo Metal 11 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said: Iron Not formatted but they chose to include it.
Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: They quoted Weasel's post with just the word Iron as the last line. I'd say go to the OG post rather than read a quote because quotes of quotes dp not show up. Edit: Hope this works. This is what I see. This is my proclamation Echo Metal 11 hours ago, Indigo Weasel said: Iron Not formatted but they chose to include it. Ok wow idk how i missed that i feel dumb now. Anyways yeah pretty clear claim.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 18 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: @Taupe Gecko - hard to quote longposts on mobile sorry, post linked here. Gimmick is echoing people's words, they seem to be claiming Iron i.e. Mistborn or Lurcher. Look at the last four lines. My proclamation (statement) Echo (name, gimmick) Metal Iron This looks like a direct roleclaim to me. Axl's behaviour here is confusing me as a result. (If I've managed to confuse myself about what Iron does this is going to be so embarrassing...) @Oxblood Beagle - Depends on your assessment of train sizes. I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm. OOOOOOOH Oh oh oh Okay I get it I do want to say though that regarding your attacks on Axl (or anyone else voting DF) it's highly possible that, like me, they missed that claim In fact, @Ivory Dragonfly some confirmation would be nice 8 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: Ninjaed by Dingo so c/p time. Edit: @Taupe Gecko Apologies speed read a bit. Basically yes - if I'm a regular, my instinct is to ask for third train or to eat the exe. Unless I am very sure DF is Evil claiming to stay alive longer, normally a Lurcher is not the most pressing D1 problem. If I'm a very valuable PR, keeping quiet and self-pressing in the hopes I stay alive... is *a* strategy, there's some risk, but at these train sizes and the votestate, staying alive by claiming is usually preferable since it forces the Elims to kill you and minimally creates reactions in thread that people can go back to read. (This is my other hesitation - I think more often than not Elims can struggle to hardpush a Village PR knowing they're screwed once the PR flips. Of course playstyle confounds this but for want of a better word, sincere dogmatic village fog-of-war can be hard to imitate confidently as an Elim - that's helpful too. So do I read Axl's soft push here as V or E? I am thinking aloud in part. It sticks out in my brain, I just DK if I feel confident of my thoughts and am looking for SAN checks.) "Eat the exe"? Also, since I'm giving you a v!read for now for picking up on that claim and pushing about it, would you be up to getting some new train rolling? I'd prefer a tie between two sus candidates than just a single one And with this VC: 9 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said: Current vote count Violet Axolotl (6): Oxblood Beagle, Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron, Melon Dingo, Mauve Crocodile, Ivory Dragonfly Scarlet Octopus (1): Saffron Iguana Sapphire Elephant (1): Sunburst Toucan Salmon Meerkat (2): Sapphire Elephant, Magenta Albatross Sage Kangaroo (2): Salmon Meerkat, Indigo Weasel Mauve Crocodile (1): Quartz Zebra Ivory Dragonfly (3): Violet Axolotl, Scarlet Octopus, Sage Kangaroo Indigo Weasel (1): Taupe Gecko I'm willing to back an alternate train on anyone except for you for now. In fact, considering how close things are, I might like to chase Weasel to the finish line. @Violet Axolotl@Scarlet Octopus@Sage Kangaroo you're all voting DF right now. In light of Lurcher claims, would y'all be willing to back a train on Indigo Weasel? We're pushing it a bit tight, but that's the wonder of SE, isn't it If all three of you switch to Weasel (and so does @Mint Heron) we can get a two way tie I'm welcome to any partners here Let's shake things up
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 19 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: @Taupe Gecko - hard to quote longposts on mobile sorry, post linked here. Gimmick is echoing people's words, they seem to be claiming Iron i.e. Mistborn or Lurcher. Look at the last four lines. My proclamation (statement) Echo (name, gimmick) Metal Iron This looks like a direct roleclaim to me. Axl's behaviour here is confusing me as a result. (If I've managed to confuse myself about what Iron does this is going to be so embarrassing...) @Oxblood Beagle - Depends on your assessment of train sizes. I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm. Levin thought about the matter. As it stands, the Dragonfly was safe from being the target of one of those dastardly Rioters, especially if that was the identity of one of the saboteurs, but a change from himself and the Heron would return that risk. So, he thought that it would be better to let things stay as they stand and have that as a discussion to ponder on at a later time.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 H.E.A.R.T.H raced down the passages of the TYRIAN, frantic. The crew had made their choice. The day would end in death. It was H.E.A.R.T.H's intent to make that death as chaotic as possible. There were monsters among them. But it was unlikely for a monster to die tonight. That was merely the way things went. Tonight, a good person would die. So it was not the identity of the victim that mattered - but the circumstances around their murder. A tie increased the likelihood of a monster on the edge - and such a likelihood would force the monsters to make a move. To reveal themselves, in one form or another. H.E.A.R.T.H did not fear emotional manipulation. It welcomed it. Encouraged it. Because emotional manipulation revealed truths, truths that could be used in the pursuit of clarity. So this was its gambit. This was its leap. 4 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Levin thought about the matter. As it stands, the Dragonfly was safe from being the target of one of those dastardly Rioters, especially if that was the identity of one of the saboteurs, but a change from himself and the Heron would return that risk. So, he thought that it would be better to let things stay as they stand and have that as a discussion to ponder on at a later time. Why ponder later? The Dragonfly need not be in danger for a tie to occur. H.E.A.R.T.H addresses the Beagle, and asks for their help. Propose a tie candidate, and H.E.A.R.T.H would follow. But it was not willing to watch a smooth death and do nothing.
Melon Dingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Im pretty happy with the Axolotl exe especially with the hard push it seems Heron and Gecko are doing to lift it. We'll see where we are after the flip Im going back to bed Ninjad 1 minute ago, Taupe Gecko said: H.E.A.R.T.H raced down the passages of the TYRIAN, frantic. The crew had made their choice. The day would end in death. It was H.E.A.R.T.H's intent to make that death as chaotic as possible. There were monsters among them. But it was unlikely for a monster to die tonight. That was merely the way things went. Tonight, a good person would die. So it was not the identity of the victim that mattered - but the circumstances around their murder. A tie increased the likelihood of a monster on the edge - and such a likelihood would force the monsters to make a move. To reveal themselves, in one form or another. H.E.A.R.T.H did not fear emotional manipulation. It welcomed it. Encouraged it. Because emotional manipulation revealed truths, truths that could be used in the pursuit of clarity. So this was its gambit. This was its leap. Why ponder later? The Dragonfly need not be in danger for a tie to occur. H.E.A.R.T.H addresses the Beagle, and asks for their help. If we are scared of a tie when the vote is 6 to 3, we are saying we think there might be a rioter not on either train AND a soother attempt to save Axolotl or a hammer with some vote manip. If that happened it'd be super obvious and most like would tell us a lot.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Why ponder later? The Dragonfly need not be in danger for a tie to occur. H.E.A.R.T.H addresses the Beagle, and asks for their help. Propose a tie candidate, and H.E.A.R.T.H would follow. But it was not willing to watch a smooth death and do nothing. "The Sage Kangaroo would be my proposal," he answered. "Would there be enough supporters for this to stand as an alternate option?"
Onyx Flamingo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 I can understand Axl not knowing the Iron claim, because I also did not understand it, but it has been stated more clearly now (by others) and should be taken into more serious consideration from now on. 8 hours ago, Violet Axolotl said: I will honestly say that I don't have firm reasoning there. I am mainly just voting who I think is slight e!lean, but my reason skills are not good. I haven't had time to fully read everything, so I'm mainly going off vibes. And I will not lie, there are many voting dragonfly, and voting him above the others is an act of self-preservation, as it decreases the chances I get voted out. I realize that saying that may give me a huge e!lean, but I don't want to be voted out. I'm willing to hear defense from @Ivory Dragonfly. I have to go to sleep now. Let's see if I make it through rollover. This is a good defense, and it does remove some e!lean, but the fact you did not put any of this in your post is concerning. It gives you a lesser e!lean, but not enough to remove my vote on you. 2 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Levin paced across the deck of the ship. There had been a lot of discussion and the time was drawing near for one of the passengers under suspicion to be thrown overboard the SS TYRIAN. He considered what the Axolotl had said. He felt iffy about it and so he asked, "Why did you not mention that it was an act of self-preservation to accuse Dragonfly in the first place? It felt oddly convenient that you accused him at a time when the eyes of the others were on you." "Are these truly beneficial?" he inquired. Levin recalled a story. A tale of a proxy war between Ruin and Preservation. The Spiked, who had infiltrated the quaint village had used the townsfolk's indecision to their advantage and ensured that the innocent would be placed on the gallows rather than one of their own. "Reasonable," he commented. "I would say the same could be said as well with the Meerkat, who has not rejoined us after pointing a finger toward the Kangaroo. That is something I am also taking note of." This is the post that helped me out with my reasoning (pointing out the lateness of his reasoning)
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Y'all, there's like 11 minutes left in Day 1.
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 9 minutes ago, Taupe Gecko said: Eat the exe"? Simply put; if I know I'm a regular, and it's a possibly V!Lurcher on the other end, better I get exed than they do. Don't roleclear but a Lurcher never needs to be resolved D1 of all Turns unless they're obviously Evil and the post claim reads like E stalling. Obviously I prefer a third train on someone I find sus but the second best option for the Village is for me to get exed and buy the village the time to get their crem together/make a good Lurch. I acknowledge some players value survival more but that's how I see it. Tie proposal, no objection if ok with train and sizes are ok, am not sure I sus Weasel - can I v quickly ask for your Weasel case.
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Melon Dingo said: If we are scared of a tie when the vote is 6 to 3, we are saying we think there might be a rioter not on either train AND a soother attempt to save Axolotl or a hammer with some vote manip. If that happened it'd be super obvious and most like would tell us a lot. That's precisely my point I want to put the elims in a situation where they are forced to use vote manip If we have one exe candidate, there are two possibilities: Option 1 (very high chance): We exe a villager. No info Option 2 (very very low chance): We exe an elim. Decent info If we have more than one: Option 1 (high chance): Both villa. We exe a villager. Option 2 (low chance): One is an elim. Elims forced to make a move. High info. Next cycle, we actually have something to analyze Option 2 gets better and better the more tie candidates we have 2 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: "The Sage Kangaroo would be my proposal," he answered. "Would there be enough supporters for this to stand as an alternate option?" I will back it I have no idea what the suspicion on Kangaroo is, but I'll take practically anyone 2 minutes ago, Onyx Flamingo said: I can understand Axl not knowing the Iron claim, because I also did not understand it, but it has been stated more clearly now (by others) and should be taken into more serious consideration from now on. Agreed on the it should be taken into consideration from now on. But if we can agree that Axl may have missed it, then why are we still holding that against it? I'm not saying I v!read Axl. But I e!read Axl at the same level as anyone else right now, except perhaps Heron.
Mint Heron Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Just now, A Jo in the Bush said: Y'all, there's like 11 minutes left in Day 1. Ah s*t here we go again
Taupe Gecko Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Just now, Mint Heron said: Simply put; if I know I'm a regular, and it's a possibly V!Lurcher on the other end, better I get exed than they do. Don't roleclear but a Lurcher never needs to be resolved D1 of all Turns unless they're obviously Evil and the post claim reads like E stalling. Obviously I prefer a third train on someone I find sus but the second best option for the Village is for me to get exed and buy the village the time to get their crem together/make a good Lurch. I acknowledge some players value survival more but that's how I see it. Tie proposal, no objection if ok with train and sizes are ok, am not sure I sus Weasel - can I v quickly ask for your Weasel case. Ahh, okay As for my Weasel read - I disliked their reasoning for voting I don't remember who. I'mma check real quick (I explained it in an earlier post) but at this point I'm just spitting out posts as fast as I can 1 minute ago, A Jo in the Bush said: Y'all, there's like 11 minutes left in Day 1. Yup Also Sage Kangaroo @Oxblood Beagle, gonna do your part? We're running out of time over here Alright here we go 1 hour ago, Taupe Gecko said: For a change, in this instance, H.E.A.R.T.H heavily agrees with the Weasel's reasoning; the statement quoted from Meerkat does indeed provide no seeming reasoning (yes, it is quite similar to the level H.E.A.R.T.H provided for the same statement, but H.E.A.R.T.H clearly established its intent as different to evil-slaying). (OOC - how did votes stand on Dragonfly at the time of that statement? It seems recent, so I'm assuming too volatile a situation for a poke vote) So why, in that case, did Weasel not attack Meerkat? Instead, they chose to attack another Dragonfly voter, who actually seemed to provide a stronger foundation of reasoning in H.E.A.R.T.H's view. Now, there was a heavy possibility that H.E.A.R.T.H was reading too much into this - pattern analysis told it that in this sort of situation, villagers tend to imagine or attribute more meaning than deserved to small acts to fuel their accusations once they make them. H.E.A.R.T.H did not want to fall into that trap - but still, it began to eye Weasel with suspicion. It's very weak, but it just feels off. 41 minutes ago, Mint Heron said: I don't object to a Kanga train at current credences, need to reread (back in 15), mostly don't want a weird scenario where the actual CW is DF unless we all consciously agree this is the route we want to take given the claim and suspicion states atm. Well? You up for this or what?
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Taupe Gecko said: Ahh, okay As for my Weasel read - I disliked their reasoning for voting I don't remember who. I'mma check real quick (I explained it in an earlier post) but at this point I'm just spitting out posts as fast as I can Yup Also Sage Kangaroo @Oxblood Beagle, gonna do your part? We're running out of time over here "Yes, I believe there should be another option aside from the Violet Axolotl," Levin answered. "The Sage Kangaroo is another suspect on the cards of being a saboteur."
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