Xanpheon Posted October 23, 2025 Posted October 23, 2025 Something I'm really quite interested in in the aftermath of Wind and Truth is what happens to the Spren post-Night of Sorrows. Obviously, the primary function of the new Oathpact is there to anchor the splinters of Honor that make up the Spren, to prevent those born of the work of Honor and Cultivation (and likely even the Old Gods of Roshar). So in the short term, they get to keep existing, both in Shadesmar and in the Physical Realm. However, that isn't all that happens (both as a result of Odium ascending to Retribution, and the subsequent destruction of the fragment of Tanavast that remained within the Stormfather), is it? Sylphrena undergoes an unusual change in the moments they had between the ascension and the sealing of the Oathpact Reforged. She takes on aspects of the Stormfather - both as protector of the Spren, but also elements of his speech and nature as the largest remaining "pure" splinter of Honor that has sentience on the level of a Spren. Honorblades are probably a bit more invested, but they're their own thing. And this is interesting to me because while she's still clearly herself, something I don't remember is if her bond with Kaladin was broken by the Oathpact. I don't think it did, if I remember correctly? More like... put on hold, while he's in the illusion on Braize with the other Heralds. If it didn't, does this mean that the thoughts of... essentially every human nation on Roshar - even the ones controlled by the singers at the time - and their cultural image of the "Stormfather" is strong enough to affect Syl and change her at a fundamental level by the transitive property of being the next largest fragment of Honor? I'm probably missing something here, but the concept of being able to warp a conceptual entity in that way is concerning to me. 1
NameIess Posted October 23, 2025 Posted October 23, 2025 2 hours ago, Xanpheon said: Something I'm really quite interested in in the aftermath of Wind and Truth is what happens to the Spren post-Night of Sorrows. Obviously, the primary function of the new Oathpact is there to anchor the splinters of Honor that make up the Spren, to prevent those born of the work of Honor and Cultivation (and likely even the Old Gods of Roshar). So in the short term, they get to keep existing, both in Shadesmar and in the Physical Realm. However, that isn't all that happens (both as a result of Odium ascending to Retribution, and the subsequent destruction of the fragment of Tanavast that remained within the Stormfather), is it? Sylphrena undergoes an unusual change in the moments they had between the ascension and the sealing of the Oathpact Reforged. She takes on aspects of the Stormfather - both as protector of the Spren, but also elements of his speech and nature as the largest remaining "pure" splinter of Honor that has sentience on the level of a Spren. Honorblades are probably a bit more invested, but they're their own thing. And this is interesting to me because while she's still clearly herself, something I don't remember is if her bond with Kaladin was broken by the Oathpact. I don't think it did, if I remember correctly? More like... put on hold, while he's in the illusion on Braize with the other Heralds. If it didn't, does this mean that the thoughts of... essentially every human nation on Roshar - even the ones controlled by the singers at the time - and their cultural image of the "Stormfather" is strong enough to affect Syl and change her at a fundamental level by the transitive property of being the next largest fragment of Honor? I'm probably missing something here, but the concept of being able to warp a conceptual entity in that way is concerning to me. Syl and Kaladin's bond didn't seem to be on hold. She's in the illusion with him, just as Nale's spren went with him to Braize. 2
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