The formation of discord

[Windborn_bolder]

I think the reason we are seeing discord in the lost metal is because autonomy invested harmony which leads to less align shards 

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

13 hours ago, Windborn_bolder said:

I think the reason we are seeing discord in the lost metal is because autonomy invested harmony which leads to less align shards 

It definitely didn't help, but I'm pretty sure the main implication on why this is happening is because of a slight edge that Ruin has over Preservation. Because back when they first made Scadrial, they made a deal and part of that deal was for Preservation to give up a part of his Investiture to humanity so they would have slightly more Preservation in them than Ruin. Balance was once maintained when Preservation tore a part of Ruin's power off of him and made the Pits of Hathsin, but the Pits don't exist anymore and it seems that Harmony won't willingly create Atium for some reason.

The flaw lies with Sazed himself, I think. If the problem is that there's too much Ruin and not enough Preservation than he could just remake the Pits and siphon off Ruin's Investiture until they were balanced again, but he hasn't. Maybe Sazed wants this to happen and become Discord, we don't know anything about what will happen afterwards, other than some ominous implications. 

[ChillPenguin]

On 7/31/2025 at 4:54 AM, JustQuestin2004 said:

It definitely didn't help, but I'm pretty sure the main implication on why this is happening is because of a slight edge that Ruin has over Preservation. Because back when they first made Scadrial, they made a deal and part of that deal was for Preservation to give up a part of his Investiture to humanity so they would have slightly more Preservation in them than Ruin. Balance was once maintained when Preservation tore a part of Ruin's power off of him and made the Pits of Hathsin, but the Pits don't exist anymore and it seems that Harmony won't willingly create Atium for some reason.

The flaw lies with Sazed himself, I think. If the problem is that there's too much Ruin and not enough Preservation than he could just remake the Pits and siphon off Ruin's Investiture until they were balanced again, but he hasn't. Maybe Sazed wants this to happen and become Discord, we don't know anything about what will happen afterwards, other than some ominous implications. 

I’m pretty sure it’s because Ruin’s intent blocks the creation of the pits. If I were that shard, you bet I’d block becoming weaker, especially when it looks like Ruin is going to win out.

Maybe Sazed could create a huge amount of destruction to make Ruin happy and distracted and “whoops I made the pits too? Oh well.”

Something on that scale though would probably go too much against preservation… and so Sazed as Harmony is in deep trouble. Maybe another shard could help him but why would they?

Edited August 7, 2025 by ChillPenguin

[Nitpicking]

I keep waiting for Sazed to dump the excess Ruin into Kelsier, thus balancing Harmony and giving Kelsier his long desire to be a god.

[..... he/him]

On 8/11/2025 at 11:23 PM, Nitpicking said:

I keep waiting for Sazed to dump the excess Ruin into Kelsier, thus balancing Harmony and giving Kelsier his long desire to be a god.

That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I think he should give it to marsh so that he can more fully embody death and no longer need atium.

[Nitpicking]

7 hours ago, ..... said:

That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I think he should give it to marsh so that he can more fully embody death and no longer need atium.

I didn't say it was a good idea. Sazed makes mistakes.

He could also add a bit of Ruin to all Scadrians to match the extra Preservation they have, thus balancing himself.

Now consider: the Scadrians of SPOILER for Isles of the Emberdark:

Spoiler

The Scadrians of Ember don't seem all that Preservation-based, do they?