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[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

4 minutes ago, Argenti said:

@CoderDrag0n8 and @Dragonheir cultivation+invention.... Innovation? New inventions that improve upon something? What do you think?

Invention+Virtuosity is pretty much the shard of Creativity, no? Function and Form. Perhaps it could have more of a skill idea, and this could be Mastery? or I could go into the idea of it being genres of art

Cultivation+Virtuosity is growth for beauty.... Ornament? 

All three combined.... no idea.

Well, my Cultivation is mostly based on the idea of stories, and growth, ans stuff.

So for Cult+Virt would prob be sometin to do with a story

and Cult+Invent would prob also be story similar

[Argenti he/him]

9 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Well, my Cultivation is mostly based on the idea of stories, and growth, ans stuff.

So for Cult+Virt would prob be sometin to do with a story

and Cult+Invent would prob also be story similar

A Raconteur is a person who is very good at telling stories. 

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

2 minutes ago, Argenti said:

A Raconteur is a person who is very good at telling stories. 

So Raconteur for Cult+Virt or Cult+Invent?

[Argenti he/him]

1 minute ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

So Raconteur for Cult+Virt or Cult+Invent?

 Cult+Virt.

i don't love it as a word, though. It feels odd. 

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

5 minutes ago, Argenti said:

 Cult+Virt.

i don't love it as a word, though. It feels odd. 

Yeah. But its the best we have. Maybe Fabricate for Cult+Invent?

[Argenti he/him]

1 minute ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Yeah. But its the best we have. Maybe Fabricate for Cult+Invent?

Up to you. It would be Fabrication, though.

I'll look for a better word.

[ChickenBonanza]

The growth-aligned nature of Cultivation, combined with Invention’s useful creation, could lead to things like Mechanization, Automation, or Industrialization.

Edited July 21, 2025 by ChickenBonanza
Mechanization, not Machination.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

Just now, ChickenBonanza said:

The growth-aligned nature of Cultivation, combined with Invention’s useful creation, could lead to things like Machination, Automation, or Industrialization.

Well, in this world, Cultivation is more inclined to Stories and growth there.

[ChickenBonanza]

1 minute ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Well, in this world, Cultivation is more inclined to Stories and growth there.

Changes to a Shard’s Intent would take a lot of time to solidify, I think, and not really possible if Eloh has given himself over to it immediately, right? In the immediate, stories (how should that be said scientifically? The progression of the human mind?) wouldn’t be as firmly attached to Cultivation as it could be in future.

Edited July 21, 2025 by ChickenBonanza

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

2 minutes ago, ChickenBonanza said:

Changes to a Shard’s Intent would take a lot of time to solidify, I think, and not really possible if Eloh has given himself over to it immediately, right? In the immediate, stories (how should that be said scientifically? The progression of the human mind?) wouldn’t be as firmly attached to Cultivation as it could be in future.

Well, Eloh has been deeply leaning in to Cultivation, but has also been really pushing the Story aspect. Very Much Pushing the story aspect

[Argenti he/him]

6 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Well, Eloh has been deeply leaning in to Cultivation, but has also been really pushing the Story aspect. Very Much Pushing the story aspect

That takes time, and depending on how far it is. Odium couldn't be re-defined as passion, for example. 
You've said that Eloh is already consumed by his intent, so he can't really push back much anymore.

[ChickenBonanza]

8 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Very Much Pushing the story aspect

I see I see. What would you say ‘story’ means to Cultivation? I cannot seem to parse a definition that might fit a Shardic Intent. Like, remembrance of the past? The experiencing of historical events? Iunno.

1 minute ago, Argenti said:

That takes time, and depending on how far it is. Odium couldn't be re-defined as passion, for example. 

I don’t necessarily agree with the notion that any Shard is impossible to redefine. Ruin was, to an extent, why would Odium be any different? Odium’s alignment towards pretty much all emotion could theoretically fit well into Passion.

I’d propose, then, that it’s not that Odium cannot be redefined, but that Rayse couldn’t redefine Odium. All his spewing about passion is worthless, because his a slimy schemer who doesn’t actually care about passion at all, other than the fact that it makes him seem more palatable.

Theoretically, if a person who genuinely believed Odium could become Passion became its Vessel, they would see much better results.

Edited July 21, 2025 by ChickenBonanza

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

Just now, Argenti said:

That takes time, and depending on how far it is. Odium couldn't be re-defined as passion, for example. 
You've said that Eloh is already consumed by his intent, so he can't really push back much anymore.

Well, he is still there, and he has been pushing for Stories ever since he knew Cultivation had the Cultivation intent. The last vestiges of his personality are pushing for Stories.

[Argenti he/him]

Just now, ChickenBonanza said:

I see I see. What would you say ‘story’ means to Cultivation? I cannot seem to parse a definition that might fit a Shardic Intent. Like, remembrance of the past? The experiencing of historical events? Iunno.

I think a better word would be Destiny- from what I understand of Coder's idea, "story" is like who they will become, and shaping them towards their idea. 

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 minute ago, ChickenBonanza said:

I see I see. What would you say ‘story’ means to Cultivation? I cannot seem to parse a definition that might fit a Shardic Intent. Like, remembrance of the past? The experiencing of historical events? Iunno.

Cultivation would want for the story to grow, for the climax, the conclusion to come. Cultivation would want character growth, learning, and knowledge.

Just now, Argenti said:

I think a better word would be Destiny- from what I understand of Coder's idea, "story" is like who they will become, and shaping them towards their idea. 

yeah that works better

Edited July 21, 2025 by CoderDrag0n8

[Argenti he/him]

6 minutes ago, ChickenBonanza said:

I’d propose, then, that it’s not that Odium cannot be redefined, but that Rayse couldn’t redefine Odium. All his spewing about passion is worthless, because his a slimy schemer who doesn’t actually care about passion at all, other than the fact that it makes him seem more palatable.

 

Completly possible, to be honest. Rayse was lying- say, BAM, could probably make it Passion.

[Argenti he/him]

6 hours ago, Argenti said:

 

Grace is such a schemer. Her and Alph weren'r on bad terms, before the Shattering.

Alph is planing on her scheming.

Open question, what combo intents are we thinking? At least when the two main shards are mixing. I have some ideas, but they're not all great.  For the combos with Virtousity, it could maybe be genres of art? 

@CoderDrag0n8 and @Dragonheir cultivation+invention.... Innovation? New inventions that improve upon something? What do you think?

Invention+Virtuosity is pretty much the shard of Creativity, no? Function and Form. Perhaps it could have more of a skill idea, and this could be Mastery? or I could go into the idea of it being genres of art

Cultivation+Virtuosity is growth for beauty.... Ornament? 

All three combined.... no idea.

 

@IcedOutPenguin

Ruin+Devotion... Maybe Justice? Destruction with Compassion. I would say Mercy, but that's already taken. Redemption?

Ruin+Virtuosity... Memento Mori, of course, but that's not a shard name. There's this Genre of art called Vanitas, that's all about the certainty of death, so maybe that?

Devotion+Virtuosity. No clue. Maybe we could lean into the religious aspect of Devotion and come up with Retablo? That's like a painting or image at an altar. 

All three is super dependent on what we decide the other combos are.  

 

@al_lan_mandragoran @SpartanBrigade

Honour+ Autonomy. The rule following shard and freedom shard are pretty opposed in my eyes, so I have no idea. Guesses?
Honour+ Virtuousity. Glory. It's definitely Glory.
Autonomy+ Virtuousity. It could also be Creativity.

@IcedOutPenguin @Born of Mist
Endowment + Preservation. Protection? Gifting stasis?
Endowment + Virtuosity. Instruction? gifting great skills [in art]
Preservation + Virtuosity.... Restoration? Like Art Restoration?
Again, all three is  a 

 

 

@ChickenBonanza

Dominion + Virtuosity. ( I know, I know.) Supremacy, Perhaps? Control over others, being better than others [at art]. What do you think?
@Ashkaloda
Mercy + Virtuosity. Charity? idk.

@SpiritOfWrath 
Ambition + Vituosity.  Design (Yeah yeah I know). As in a Plan or Purpose to create art. 
@ThatOneWorldhopper
It's a bit weird, but you could probably grab a seed and some investiture if you wanted to. Valor+ Virtuosity. Prowess. Both "skill or expertise" and "bravery in battle." Doesn't get much better.

[ChickenBonanza]

5 minutes ago, Argenti said:

Dominion + Virtuosity. ( I know, I know.) Supremacy, Perhaps? Control over others, being better than others [at art]. What do you think?

For a more wholesome bent, maybe one could go for Prosperity. The desire for what you control to be beautiful. The reality of that wouldn’t be as good as the name implies, superficial style. Supremacy is good, too.

Prowess is also a pretty accurate interpretation for Valor and Virtuosity, I’d say.

Supremacy could also work for Ambition’s case, or something along the lines of Superlative, whatever word would describe the desire and appreciation of skill above all.

Mercy is a tougher one. What even is Mercy? God’s own desire to… alleviate pain? Iunno.

[Argenti he/him]

14 minutes ago, ChickenBonanza said:

Mercy is a tougher one. What even is Mercy? God’s own desire to… alleviate pain? Iunno.

It's Compassion isn't that Devotion? 
I think I've been doing Devotion wrong.

Really should be loyalty and Faith, morso than Compassion.... but wait she's also love, according to a WOB.

14 minutes ago, ChickenBonanza said:

For a more wholesome bent, maybe one could go for Prosperity. The desire for what you control to be beautiful. The reality of that wouldn’t be as good as the name implies, superficial style. Supremacy is good, too.

That works too.
 

 

14 minutes ago, ChickenBonanza said:

Supremacy could also work for Ambition’s case, or something along the lines of Superlative, whatever word would describe the desire and appreciation of skill above all.

 

Indeed.

Edited July 22, 2025 by Argenti
Gosh darn you shard.

[ChickenBonanza]

9 minutes ago, Argenti said:

It's Compassion isn't that Devotion? 
I think I've been doing Devotion wrong.

Really should be loyalty and Faith, morso than Compassion.... but wait she's also love, according to a WOB.

One thing I routinely ask myself, “what is love?” Like, seon’s are dedicated to service, and Devotion is described as compassionate. Is Devotion the desire to serve and uplift others? ‘Love’ them, if you will? Feel for them? Odium does seem to have an ability to feel for others, so it’s not as if it’s completely separated from compassion.

I had thought that, perhaps, Dominion and Devotion could be described as opposites. Make others serve the self versus the self serving others. Very complicated.

But, if feeling for others is aligned to Devotion, then what does Mercy entail? What does Mercy desire to be merciful about? Who knows.

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

4 minutes ago, ChickenBonanza said:

One thing I routinely ask myself, “what is love?” Like, seon’s are dedicated to service, and Devotion is described as compassionate. Is Devotion the desire to serve and uplift others? ‘Love’ them, if you will? Feel for them? Odium does seem to have an ability to feel for others, so it’s not as if it’s completely separated from compassion.

I had thought that, perhaps, Dominion and Devotion could be described as opposites. Make others serve the self versus the self serving others. Very complicated.

But, if feeling for others is aligned to Devotion, then what does Mercy entail? What does Mercy desire to be merciful about? Who knows.

I’m not sure if Dominion is the opposite. If I recall correctly it was described as Conquest in a WOB

[ChickenBonanza]

12 minutes ago, SpartanBrigade said:

I’m not sure if Dominion is the opposite. If I recall correctly it was described as Conquest in a WOB

I did not find such a WOB, from a brief search, but I did find these:

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Weltall

MaiPon and JinDo are based on Korea and China you've said, I thought that Dominion and Devotion have some resonance with Confucianism-

Brandon Sanderson

They do, the yin and the yang and things like that, absolutely.

Weltall

So that was intentional?

Brandon Sanderson

That was very intentional. Yeah, I've always been fascinated with, like, the blue and the red, right? The things that are opposite but to some cultures and not to others. Like, that was really, that was the Ruin and Preservation thing, right?

Oathbringer San Francisco signing (Nov. 15, 2017)

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Questioner

I recently reread Elantris and I came to an interesting conclusion: that the seons are similar to the spren.

Brandon Sanderson

They are.

Questioner

And are they Servitude, broken pieces of Servitude.

Brandon Sanderson

So, they are actually broken pieces of Devotion, which is a similar concept, but yes.

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White Sand vol.1 Orem signing (June 29, 2016)

So, Devotion is similar to Servitude, and Dominion could be considered an opposite to Devotion. My thoughts have some merit, huzzah!

Edited July 22, 2025 by ChickenBonanza

[Argenti he/him]

6 minutes ago, SpartanBrigade said:

I’m not sure if Dominion is the opposite. If I recall correctly it was described as Conquest in a WOB

Well, they became opposites. If I understand it right, it's kinda just what happens when two shards settle a system. Preservation vs Ruin, Devotion vs Dominion, hell, even Cultivation and Honor were down this path before Odium came. I think Shards naturally polarize, so that they represent the two extremes of ideology. Ruin, despite being the god of Destruction first and foremost, eventluy came to represent all change on scadrial, despite some change clearly being Cultivations. Cultivation was starting to become something of a rulebreaker, while Honor grew more obsessed with rules. Devotion would reasonably become You Serving Others, while Dominion became Other serving you.

3 minutes ago, ChickenBonanza said:

I did not find such a WOB, from a brief search, but I did find these:

So, Devotion is similar to Servitude, and Dominion could be considered an opposite to Devotion.

This Wob

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Questioner

I wanted to know why in The Stormlight Archive and Mistborn, all the gods were named after human traits?

Brandon Sanderson

So this is... all the books are connected. So a long time ago, the premise is, a being... god named Adonalsium was split into 16 pieces, and so the various "aspects" of god, and those aspects are now the gods of all of these things. So there were two in the Elantris world, there's one in the Warbreaker world. Mostly Mistborn and Stormlight is where you'll find out about them.

Questioner

Preservation, and... I remember Hatred [Odium] in Stormlight.

Brandon Sanderson

Yep, Preservation and Ruin. And on Sel, it was Dominion and Devotion, or Love and Conquest were the two.

Questioner

So all of them are connected?

Brandon Sanderson

Yep.

Tel Aviv Signing (Oct. 18, 2019)

 

[ChickenBonanza]

4 minutes ago, Argenti said:

This Wob

We love it when a WOB mentions something by name, but doesn’t include the tag for it, smh my head

[Argenti he/him]

2 minutes ago, ChickenBonanza said:

We love it when a WOB mentions something by name, but doesn’t include the tag for it, smh my head

Yeah, I've put in a Request to have that fixed. I search by name and by tag, for that reason. 
Anyway this wob is relevant to my point about polarizing. It seems if the shards ae even remotely opposite, they'll polarize. I'm looking at you, Scadrial. Oaths and Freedom are pretty well opposed. 
 

Spoiler

Argent (paraphrased)

Ruin and Preservation were often represented in the Mistborn trilogy in terms of black and white. Is this imagery limited to that series, or do other Shards also have an associated hue?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

This (Ruin & Preservation's colors) was because of the specific world and their perception of the world and themselves. Essentially, because of the dynamics of the interplay between Ruin and Preservation, they "chose" to view themselves as black and white respectively, so that's how they were represented. Also, because the only two Shards on Scadrial, and their natures were opposites, after the long period of time they spent on the same planet, they kind of "polarized." If similar thing happened on another world, similar coloring effect could happen.

Steelheart Chicago signing (Oct. 1, 2013)