Windborn_bolder Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 I think you could spike hoid of his Allomancy and it would regrow allowing the making of infinite spikes Pinpoint (paraphrased) If Hoid got beheaded, would his body grow a new head? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. Pinpoint (paraphrased) What if Hoid got cut by a Shardblade? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) The Shardblade cuts the soul and what Hoid does heals the soul. Words of Radiance release party (March 3, 2014) 1
Trusk'our he/him Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Windborn_bolder said: I think you could spike hoid of his Allomancy and it would regrow allowing the making of infinite spikes Pinpoint (paraphrased) If Hoid got beheaded, would his body grow a new head? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. Pinpoint (paraphrased) What if Hoid got cut by a Shardblade? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) The Shardblade cuts the soul and what Hoid does heals the soul. Words of Radiance release party (March 3, 2014) This should be plausible enough, though part of me wonders how willing Hoid would be for such a process. Technically, even someone like Miles could be used as a functional spike factory should you give him enough gold, so any way to sufficiently charge gold Feruchemy can probably do the trick. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/406-general-reddit-2020/#e14304 HazelCharm47 Let's say we have a hypothetical situation with Miles Hundredlives. In this scenario, he is wearing a gold metalmind filled to the brim with stored healing power. He is then spiked with a cadmium spike and loses his gold allomancy. Now, if I recall from various WoBs, he would be able to heal using the gold metalmind and regain his gold allomancy. I could be misremembering and he cannot heal it, but I believe he would be able to since it is part of his Identity. However, one question I have never seen the answer to is this: what happens to the ability in the spike? Is the allomantic ability still contained in the spike, leading to a duplicate? Or is the spike's ability lost? Or maybe I have this whole thing wrong and Miles could never have regained the ability in the first place. If the ability duplicates (which I doubt), that could lead to some crazy things. Also, this applies to any Twinborn with gold Feruchemy, I just thought Miles was a good example I guess Brandon Sanderson I'd like to see the exact WoB's here to make sure I'm being consistent, as I don't know that I confirmed you could regain lost powers--only that you could heal from hemalurgic soul damage. Most likely, what you'd end up with is a person who has been healed and can remove the spike from their body without damage, and without needing it to hold their soul together--but who has lost the ability in the spike. Regardless, though, what you want here (the mass production of spikes charged and even blanked) is possible with the right levels of investiture. It's an energy, like things in our world. The difficulty is finding out how to 1) get enough investiture and 2) key it to the right people and/or magic. Hope that's a little more clear. That said, a lot of times people just ask me if something is possible--and a lot of things are possible, but just very difficult. And with the right boost of investiture, in the right circumstances, it WOULD be possible to regrow lost (to spikes) powers. It's just highly unlikely. I'm not sure if the questions people are asking me are ones I've qualified, or not, in these instances. Also, this is all something I'm playing with still behind the scenes as we enter the modern age of Mistborn. HazelCharm47 As requested, here are the WoBs I believe are related. They might be obsolete, however. And I assume things will get changed a lot before Era 4, but hey, it's fun to ask anyways WoB #1: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/331/#e9434 This one states that as long as Miles still has his Identity, he would be able to use his Feruchemical metalminds after being spiked and would be able to heal. WoB #2: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/102/#e983 This one says that Miles would be able to heal his soul using Feruchemical healing and regain his gold Allomancy (assuming he survives the spiking). I think this is the most essential one! WoB #3: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/76/#e6335 This one is only somewhat related - implies that the Feruchemical and Allomantic powers are spiritually part of him. WoB #4: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/7/#e6435 Also tangentially related - damage to the soul from Hemalurgy can be healed (Although this might just be a Hoid thing). I guess the question could be expanded to include non-Feruchemical healing as a way to repair the soul after being spiked. Brandon Sanderson Well, I don't think any of those are specifically inaccurate. I just didn't quite understand what people were trying to get out of me. A lot of times, I don't know quite what people are trying to get out of me. I can see now they're trying to figure out. I see now, and I appreciate you putting this all together for me so I can see what the fans are trying to figure out. So the answer is a cautious yes. The problem here is that he'd need to compound a TON of healing first--but yes, it would work. You could theoretically turn someone like Miles into an invested spike factory. If he didn't have enough healing stored, though, he'd end up with a healed soul but a gap (like a scar on his soul) where his spiked-out abilities were. That could theoretically be healed with application of more investiture, depending on things like how he views himself, and if you could get the right type of investiture. Edited May 2, 2025 by Trusk'our
Windborn_bolder Posted May 2, 2025 Author Posted May 2, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Trusk'our said: Technically, even someone like Miles could be used as a functional spike factory should you give him enough gold, so any way to sufficiently charge gold Feruchemy can probably do the trick. With miles you need to supply him with gold to compound and can only get A-gold with hoid you get lerasium level Allomancy for all 16 plus any god metals with no inputs. You could also double charge the same spike because it would have the same identity. Edited May 2, 2025 by Windborn_bolder
CoderDrag0n8 He/Him Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 2 minutes ago, Windborn_bolder said: With miles you need to supply him with gold to compound and can only get A-gold with hoid you get lerasium level Allomancy for all 16 plus any god metals with no inputs. You could also double charge the same spike because it would have the same identity. You could also use Lerasium spikes from the new harmonium reactions. To get ALL of his abilities
DoctaDajman Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 18 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: You could also use Lerasium spikes from the new harmonium reactions. To get ALL of his abilities This one always read differently to me. Atium speaks of powers. Lerasium speaks of abilities. I picture abilities to be like the persons traits (thinking ability scores) as opposed to powers.
Windborn_bolder Posted May 2, 2025 Author Posted May 2, 2025 1 hour ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: You could also use Lerasium spikes from the new harmonium reactions. To get ALL of his abilities If you have lerasium for spikes they could just burn it for powers
CoderDrag0n8 He/Him Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 1 hour ago, Windborn_bolder said: If you have lerasium for spikes they could just burn it for powers Yeah, but hoid is easier than the infinite gold needed.
Trusk'our he/him Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 6 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: Yeah, but hoid is easier than the infinite gold needed. I kinda think capturing Hoid would be substantially harder. 1
CoderDrag0n8 He/Him Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 Just now, Trusk'our said: I kinda think capturing Hoid would be substantially harder. Once you have him, it would be easier. But yes, it would be harder.
Trusk'our he/him Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 Just now, CoderDrag0n8 said: Once you have him, it would be easier. *cocks a brow* I see. Locking a ten millenia old master of arcane arts up and systematically ripping off chunks of his Spiritweb is totally safe, reliable, and cheap.
CoderDrag0n8 He/Him Posted May 2, 2025 Posted May 2, 2025 1 minute ago, Trusk'our said: *cocks a brow* I see. Locking a ten millenia old master of arcane arts up and systematically ripping off chunks of his Spiritweb is totally safe, reliable, and cheap. Yeah! See! I mean, you have to keep him from dying (or steal a lot of his cells and keep them locked up), but other than that, aluminum room, aluminum chains, aluminum force ingestion, aluminum spike! 1
Windborn_bolder Posted May 3, 2025 Author Posted May 3, 2025 (edited) Stealing Hoid is highest upfront cost but lowest maintenance cost and is the most versatile as you don’t need any god metals Edited May 3, 2025 by Windborn_bolder 1
Trusk'our he/him Posted May 3, 2025 Posted May 3, 2025 2 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: Yeah! See! I mean, you have to keep him from dying (or steal a lot of his cells and keep them locked up), but other than that, aluminum room, aluminum chains, aluminum force ingestion, aluminum spike! Friend, your moxie could supercharge an Electrummind to rival Nightblood
CoderDrag0n8 He/Him Posted May 3, 2025 Posted May 3, 2025 54 minutes ago, Trusk'our said: Friend, your moxie could supercharge an Electrummind to rival Nightblood whats a moxie
Trusk'our he/him Posted May 3, 2025 Posted May 3, 2025 8 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: whats a moxie Your force of character, determination, and will (It was a complement I tried to put into Cosmere-related joke form).
CoderDrag0n8 He/Him Posted May 3, 2025 Posted May 3, 2025 5 hours ago, Trusk'our said: Your force of character, determination, and will (It was a complement I tried to put into Cosmere-related joke form). Ah. Yes, that was a good compliment. thank you.
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