Debates

[TwinStorm He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Clinically insane said:

I agree! As an artist i hate it! 

im not even that good at drawing but I hate it on so many fundamental levels

[Keke They/he]

Just now, TwinStorm said:

im not even that good at drawing but I hate it on so many fundamental levels

Its taking my hobby. First jobs the. Hobbies

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, Clinically insane said:

Its taking my hobby. First jobs the. Hobbies

beyond that

its plagiarism for one

ugly for two

a mockery for three

a mockery is my biggest deal

[Keke They/he]

1 minute ago, TwinStorm said:

beyond that

its plagiarism for one

ugly for two

a mockery for three

a mockery is my biggest deal

YEAH someone gets IT

[Lord Stormer]

This will be my unpopular opinion about debates in general.

I am deeply conflicted over the topic of debate itself. I spent much time delving into thoughts and reasoning, arguing with myself and consistently testing my own stances. And I am always reactive on everything that does not align with my desires, and often I would be violently eager to prove them wrong. I would be confident to argue everything I have a grasp on, and if I want to, I would splash in right now. But that was the past. Now I believe debates don't do much good, and I avoid them except if I'm curious and want to have fun discussing lighter things.

So, rhetoric is a vaunted art since ancient times, but I'm deeply sceptical. Usually, major debates are won by the side that does best at their prosaic embellishments of half-truths - that's reality. Psychologically, we fear to lose the argument as if it's an existential humilliation or disgrace. That's why debates - on the internet or public - are especially inflammatory; no one can afford losing. For major topics, it goes beyond the discussion. When one side trashes their opponent, they feel good about it. They share it online just to create a narrative that the opponent's view (not argument) look bad. It's an "us or them" mentality. Truth is second thought and facts are tools for justification. No meeting points, and therefore no solutions. This culture just breeds itself over, and in science it's called positive feedback.

We are so intuitively ingrained that by winning, we'll convince them. But we have become more intransgent no matter win or lose, and less people on the other side are willing to accept our view. The best way is the opposite. Don't be belligerent. Try to understand not just the counterpart's argument but also how they think, how they arrive with that opinion.

Since I posted on this thread, let's do a friendly discussion. Let's start with Stormlight. Moash has been divisive for long, but there's the hate for Shallan. She's my favorite because I understand her complexities. Lightweavers is favorite order. While the condition I have differs from her, I'll try summing up what she feels.

You should know that a mental disorder (her case, disassociative personality) rewires the very foundations of your conscience. You have no idea of the right way to think, how you should live. She lived a false comfort for years and since she feels fine with it, that personality became entrenched. Trust me, it's hell to get the will to change because that would mean purging your own soul and learn to live a completely unfamilar normal life. That's what Wit tried to encourage her to do in "The Girl who Stood Up" (Oathbringer, Ch. 82). If we want to discuss more, feel free to invite me to a relevant thread.

Edited March 10, 2025 by Lord Stormer

[Keke They/he]

Hot take: season 6 mha spoiler. 

Spoiler

twice shouldn’t have died. and thats the only bad thing that hawks has ever done. 

 

Edited March 11, 2025 by Clinically insane

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

12 minutes ago, Clinically insane said:

Hot take: twice shouldn’t have died.

 

This should probably be in a spoiler box in case people haven't seen it 

[Keke They/he]

17 minutes ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

This should probably be in a spoiler box in case people haven't seen it 

Oooh riiight thats season 6 oops