Could new Invested storms be cultivated on/from the gas giants?

[Ripheus23]

Might there be some way to reach out to the Wind on the outer, greater planets, at least? I mean, aren't real gas giants really windy? From the Wikipedia entry on gas giants:

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Heat that is funneled upward by local storms is a major driver of the weather on gas giants.^[18] Much, if not all, of the deep heat escaping the interior flows up through towering thunderstorms.^[18] These disturbances develop into small eddies that eventually form storms such as the Great Red Spot on Jupiter.^[18] On Earth and Jupiter, lightning and the hydrologic cycle are intimately linked together to create intense thunderstorms.^[18] During a terrestrial thunderstorm, condensation releases heat that pushes rising air upward.^[18] This "moist convection" engine can segregate electrical charges into different parts of a cloud; the reuniting of those charges is lightning.^[18] Therefore, we can use lightning to signal to us where convection is happening.^[18] Although Jupiter has no ocean or wet ground, moist convection seems to function similarly compared to Earth.^[18]

Jupiter's Red Spot

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The Great Red Spot (GRS) is a high-pressure system located in Jupiter's southern hemisphere.^[19] The GRS is a powerful anticyclone, swirling at about 430 to 680 kilometers per hour counterclockwise around the center.^[19] The Spot has become known for its ferocity, even feeding on smaller Jovian storms.^[19] Tholins are brown organic compounds found within the surface of various planets that are formed by exposure to UV irradiation. The tholins that exist on Jupiter's surface get sucked up into the atmosphere by storms and circulation; it is hypothesized that those tholins that become ejected from the regolith get stuck in Jupiter's GRS, causing it to be red.

What if the Godforge has something special to do with the outer planets? The closest outer giant, to Roshar, is Jes, which presumably corresponds somehow to Jezrien, so also now Kaladin. So, the outer giant of wind par excellence. Let's say, it's not the midpoint of the whole sequence of planets, that's more like a pair of the other giants. But it's also an intermediary/transition point, in the sequence. Roshar is the midpoint of the inner planets, yeah? So, let's say Ashyn has unusual gravitational/atmospheric phenomena due to its proximity to the sun, Roshar has three moons (and used to have four) with all the tidal consequences of that and is also a midpoint world in a way, but so there's something about the exact position of Jes relative to Roshar that is a gravitational-turbulence factor in the highstorm? At least maybe historically, like an effluence from Jes, in ancient times, intersected Roshar's atmosphere at the right time, at the right angle, helped energize the initial highstorm sequence?

Also Braize gets a unique storm, being the other transition-point planet in the meta-type sequence of all the planets.

Maybe Jes is the windiest of the outer giants? If that solar system is like Earth's, Jes would be the largest of the outer giants. Jezrien was given to be the "King" of the Heralds, and we stan our tall king Kaladin, but so here's some more info from Wikipedia:

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In planetary astronomy, the grand tack hypothesis proposes that Jupiter formed at a distance of 3.5 AU from the Sun, then migrated inward to 1.5 AU, before reversing course due to capturing Saturn in an orbital resonance, eventually halting near its current orbit at 5.2 AU. The reversal of Jupiter's planetary migration is likened to the path of a sailboat changing directions (tacking) as it travels against the wind.^[1]

In Dante's Paradiso, Jupiter is identified as the Sphere of Justice. In Latin-Hellenic mythology, Jupiter was the counterpart of Zeus, the highest god in the standing system. Here's an interesting thing I just found in Wikipedia about that:

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When they [the plebs] agreed to come back to Rome they vowed the hill where they had retreated to Jupiter as symbol and guarantor of the unity of the Roman res publica.^[21]

So anyway, let's say that Jes is a major factor, directly and indirectly, in the deep background lore of the highstorm and the Everstorm. So could there be a way to draw a new storm from Jes and to Roshar? At/through the Godforge? Or maybe the Godforge is where, in the Cognitive Realm, the bead of Ishi swims. Like, Sylphrena and Co. (or whoever) have to go find that bead, to Connect aright then to Jes, etc. Or they could find beads for all ten outer giants? I mean, if they did, maybe they could draw power from the storms on all the giants. Make ten new highstorms (one for each Herald) around the core of the Everstorm, or overlapping, or whatever.

EDIT: then, assume/guess that Saturn corresponds to Nale, and the grand tack hypothesis could be adapted allegorically to the relationship between Jezrien and Nale, and between the Windrunners and the Skybreakers. I.e. Jezrien/the Windrunners would have their "authority" displayed in the allegory, but we would also have an image of why Nale and his Order were so resolutely confident/committed, because on the level of sheer power they are indeed not so far from Jezrien and his Order, just as Saturn isn't so terribly much smaller than Jupiter, after all. (But unfortunately, there is no canonical lore I'm familiar with, describing the actual sizes of all the Rosharan planets )

EDIT 2: wait a storming minute, what if this all has to do with how the Unmade came to be? Like, for example, a lost little creationspren happens upon the bead of one of the outer giants, Rayse/Odium reached through the pre-Everstorm energies on that gas giant, and through the bead, into the creationspren, making it into Re-Shephir? And so on and on, like, except for maybe Taln's counterpart giant, all the outer giants Connected to/through the pre-Everstorm dynamic on/around Braize (or in Shadesmar, or whatever was/is going in that department, I lost track of the details...). Taln, though, who never broke, therefore corresponds to the 9th of the giants, the giant never Spiritually contaminated by the future reality of the Everstorm, or not contaminated in the same manner.

(Impossible argument: how could Taln have done what he did at the apex of W&T? If some of the Heralds' deep power comes from their unique relationship with specific outer giants, maybe his unbreakable spirit is emblematic of the integrity of his corresponding planet, in terms of the prophecy and actuality of the Everstorm, of Odium's ability to channel his power through the outer giants' storm systems somehow. So, Taln can invoke the Spiritual power of Tanat, say, when fighting, and this can enable him to pull off incredible moves like he did in W&T. However, I would then end up claiming that the Unmade were born as part of the desecration of the outer giants, hence why only nine were indeed formed "at the time," since only nine of the Heralds broke under torture, thus infecting the Spiritual aspect of their outer planets with a susceptibility to inter-corruption by the pre/Everstorm. I.e. the Unmade are the undead souls of the outer worlds whose corresponding Heralds broke. But how could that be? I mean, let's say Re-Shephir is confirmed to be a creationspren transmuted into a voidspren or something. I guess having a creationspren be the bead of an outer giant, or rather it would be the bead that had created the outer giant somehow... I don't know, I should probably just think that something about the Unmade and the Heralds and the outer giants and the different storm systems, all interlocks somehow, but I don't know how.)

Edited January 5, 2025 by Ripheus23

[Nitpicking]

Remember that spren are Cognitive entities. There are no Wind spren on the gas giants because there's no mind there to think about winds.

[Ripheus23]

26 minutes ago, Nitpicking said:

Remember that spren are Cognitive entities. There are no Wind spren on the gas giants because there's no mind there to think about winds.

I think that the gas giants might show up as just little beads in Shadesmar.