CuratorOTL IG Posted January 4, 2025 Posted January 4, 2025 I haven't seen anyone talk about this yet, but Spoiler What did they do to Vyre's eyes? It seems eerily reminiscent of heamlurgy and inquisitors, but it states the nails are made of gemstone and that they are in his sockets, rather than poking out of them. So what's going on? Can someone provide answers?
Asininity Posted January 4, 2025 Posted January 4, 2025 Taravangian makes a deal with Dova( Battar ) - one of the Heralds he has been working with during his Diagram days. In exchange for a whole planet in future, she agrees to work for him. Its the one of Tarangian's interludes: Quote That done, he appeared in Dova's offices on the seventh floor down. Dova - Battah the Herald - had been an older woman when joining the Oathpact, ... "I have need of your skill," Taravangian said. "Specifically, the art with crystal spikes you have been practicing. I believe you can restore sight to the blind?" I assume the mechanics of Investiture sight works the same, but they use gemstones instead of metal.
CuratorOTL IG Posted January 4, 2025 Author Posted January 4, 2025 But the way that hemalurgy works, would that require the spikes to be of the 16 metals? Is that just specific to Scadrial and this is just a different brand of hemalurgy? Am I completely misunderstanding the way hemalurgy even works?
morcey2 Posted January 4, 2025 Posted January 4, 2025 41 minutes ago, CuratorOTL IG said: But the way that hemalurgy works, would that require the spikes to be of the 16 metals? Is that just specific to Scadrial and this is just a different brand of hemalurgy? Am I completely misunderstanding the way hemalurgy even works? My question (referring to @Asininity's quote) is: How has she been "practicing" and who are her victims? Probably the same people that were in the "hospital" in Kharbranth? We haven't seen anything on Rohar like: (General Mistborn spoiler) Spoiler Hemallurgic constructs. Knowing that there are specific points for hemallurgic spikes to be placed for the desired effect, is it the same with gemstone spikes? And did the spikes have to be "processed" in the same way as the metal spikes? Or have we seen them? I honestly don't know. Maybe Lopen's sense of humor is a result of an experiment gone horrible wrong? Or right? 1
Asininity Posted January 4, 2025 Posted January 4, 2025 (edited) @CuratorOTL IG @morcey2 As far as i understand Inquisitors use Steel spikes for eyesight - steel affects physical attributes. Moash seems to has diamond polestones - tied to essence of lucentia - associated with light, clarity, sight etc. How does that work on level of Spiritual Web? Your guess is as good as mine, I'd lean toward idea that the attribute has to be taken from someone. Unethical experiments like that would definitely fit into Kharbranth healthcare system, so you are probably on right track. Edited January 4, 2025 by Asininity 2
Nitpicking Posted January 4, 2025 Posted January 4, 2025 Discussed in other threads. Brandon has said that hemalurgy works everwhere in the Cosmere, and is not limited to one magic system. I'm interpreting it as being like Lightweaving, an effect you can create using several types of magic. Presumably Roshar hemalurgy uses crystal, where Scadrial hemalurgy uses metal. I'd love to see Selish hemalurgy sourced by Invention use plastic, just for how different it would be. 2
AlmightyGir Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 I believe Hemalurgy is the act of tearing a portion of an invested person's Spirit, and quite literally nailing it to the Spirit of another. In that sense, all that really matters is that the nail be made of a material capable of holding Investiture. 2
Treamayne Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 1 hour ago, AlmightyGir said: I believe Hemalurgy is the act of tearing a portion of an invested person's Spirit, and quite literally nailing it to the Spirit of another. In that sense, all that really matters is that the nail be made of a material capable of holding Investiture. The three required components are Blood, Bind Point, and Intent. Material dictates what can be stolen - but nothing ever said metal was the only option . . . WoBs - (Mistborn Spoilers): Spoiler Quote Master_Moridin What is the relationship between blood and the Spiritual Realm? (Since Hemalurgy needs blood to graft the sDNA in a spike into someone else's sDNA) Brandon Sanderson The blood being in motion is part of it. 17th Shard Forum Q&A (Sept. 28, 2012) Quote Questioner Allomancy requires, you need to be either a Misting or a Mistborn to be able to do that. But Hemalurgy you just need to stab someone through the heart. So what would stop someone on Roshar from using Hemalurgy, because it's not Innate? Do you have to be in proximity to Ruin? Brandon Sanderson Intent is a big part of a lot of the magics, including Hemalurgy, meaning that you need to know what you're doing. Or somebody needs to-- There needs to be Intent involved in what's happening to you. Questioner So like with Spook when he got spiked, where was the Intent? Brandon Sanderson The person who was driving that spike was being influenced by Ruin, and the Intent was there. Holiday signing (Dec. 12, 2015) Quote Odium's_Shard Lastly, less pressingly, do Spirit Points (Hemalurgic spots) apply to ever magic system, and through the cosmere at large? Ie. could Hemalurgy be used to take any other magic systems aspects, and do other magic systems also have these 'Points', such as Body Focuses, that work in similar ways? Brandon Sanderson Hemalurgy crosses magic systems. You could steal things from people on other worlds, if you knew the right places for the spikes. 17th Shard Forum Q&A (Sept. 26, 2012) 3
AlmightyGir Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 The required components aside, that's basically what I meant. Anything capable of storing Investiture should be a good enough vessal for Hemalurgy. Scadrial has metal Roshar has gems Looking forward to seeing a Hemalurgic Sandcastle from Taldane (Maybe a glass spike made of invested white sand?).
Nitpicking Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 12 hours ago, AlmightyGir said: Looking forward to seeing a Hemalurgic Sandcastle from Taldane (Maybe a glass spike made of invested white sand?). I believe there are hints of another magic system on Taldain, on Nightside, but for some reason Brandon wants to rewrite White Sand again instead of actually writing the Nightside book. 1
LuckyJim Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 I think a pretty important aspect of Hemalurgy is that you're not just ramming spikes into someone. You have to take the traits from someone else first, that's where the name comes from, since the spikes have to be soaked in blood. So... is that happening here? Do some people have Investiture sight that the spikes can take it from, or is this just a completely new form of Invested Art with only superficial similarities to Hemalurgy?
Nitpicking Posted January 6, 2025 Posted January 6, 2025 They stabbed the crystal spikes into some white sand from Taldain.
Treamayne Posted January 6, 2025 Posted January 6, 2025 (edited) On 1/5/2025 at 11:15 AM, Nitpicking said: I believe there are hints of another magic system on Taldain, on Nightside, but for some reason Brandon wants to rewrite White Sand again instead of actually writing the Darkside book. Taldain Spoilers Spoiler Isaac is writing Darksider (Khriss' return to Darkside to challenge Skathan) and we will see Starmarks then. Brandon is rewriting White Sand Prose because so many people boycotted the GN and he wants the story available because it is still canon. Edited January 6, 2025 by Treamayne SPAG/Example 2
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