Is Syl just an honourspren?

[PanicPug]

23 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

In RoW, Kaladin was in a Vision replicating the Physical Realm of Braize. Much like Dalinar's Visions in WoK, his body remains behind and trys to mimic his actions, but his mind is in the vision in the Spiritual Realm. 

Yes, that was what I meant. Okay, so here's how I understand it so far:

- Braize PR is barren with sharp rocks and windswept/stormy; and attracts investiture

- Braize CR is just obsidian

- Heralds, Fused etc. are bound to Braize and get teleported there (to the CR?) when their physical form on Roshar (Heralds: physical body formed from investiture; Fused: inhabited Singer body; Thunderclasts: body formed from rock; etc.) dies

- During a desolation the herald/fused/etc. then gets teleported (not instantaneously, but with the speed depending on the amount of investiture they're made up of as I understand?) back to Roshar to form/inhabit a new physical body

- repeat until the desolation ends when the heralds... decide that it's been enough fighting? (I'm also not entirely clear how it's decided when a herald's death means it's "permanent" until the next desolation and when it's "instant" rebirth)

[Leuthie]

6 minutes ago, PanicPug said:

Yes, that was what I meant. Okay, so here's how I understand it so far:

- Braize PR is barren with sharp rocks and windswept/stormy; and attracts investiture

- Braize CR is just obsidian

- Heralds, Fused etc. are bound to Braize and get teleported there (to the CR?) when their physical form on Roshar (Heralds: physical body formed from investiture; Fused: inhabited Singer body; Thunderclasts: body formed from rock; etc.) dies

- During a desolation the herald/fused/etc. then gets teleported (not instantaneously, but with the speed depending on the amount of investiture they're made up of as I understand?) back to Roshar to form/inhabit a new physical body

- repeat until the desolation ends when the heralds... decide that it's been enough fighting? (I'm also not entirely clear how it's decided when a herald's death means it's "permanent" until the next desolation and when it's "instant" rebirth)

When the remaining forces can take care of the remaining Fused without help of the Heralds, the Heralds return to hold the Fused there. I'm guessing this is mostly when all of the Fused are gone and there are no willing Singers to take more.

[Treamayne]

22 minutes ago, PanicPug said:

Yes, that was what I meant. Okay, so here's how I understand it so far:

- Braize PR is barren with sharp rocks and windswept/stormy; and attracts investiture

- Braize CR is just obsidian

- Heralds, Fused etc. are bound to Braize and get teleported there (to the CR?) when their physical form on Roshar (Heralds: physical body formed from investiture; Fused: inhabited Singer body; Thunderclasts: body formed from rock; etc.) dies

- During a desolation the herald/fused/etc. then gets teleported (not instantaneously, but with the speed depending on the amount of investiture they're made up of as I understand?) back to Roshar to form/inhabit a new physical body

- repeat until the desolation ends when the heralds... decide that it's been enough fighting? (I'm also not entirely clear how it's decided when a herald's death means it's "permanent" until the next desolation and when it's "instant" rebirth)

My understanding is similar:

• Braize PR is barren with sharp rocks and windswept/stormy; and attracts investiture

  • The nature of Braize (all realms) attracts investiture

• Braize CR is just obsidian

  • Possibly something else, there is enough thought about "Damnation" that it may not be entirely obsidian

• Heralds, Fused etc. are bound to Braize and get teleported there (to the CR?) when their physical form on Roshar (Heralds: physical body formed from investiture; Fused: inhabited Singer body; Thunderclasts: body formed from rock; etc.) dies

  • Not sure if teleported is the correct word - when a being dies, their Cognitive Identity enters Shadesmar (before going Beyond for normal people) - Fused and Heralds are Bound to Braize, so that is where their Cognitive Identity forms after leaving the PR - possibly just semantics, but it might matter

• During a desolation the herald/fused/etc. then gets teleported (not instantaneously, but with the speed depending on the amount of investiture they're made up of as I understand?) back to Roshar to form/inhabit a new physical body

  • Heralds form on Roshar, in a Construct of Honor's Investiture. Fused appear on Roshar as Spren (as seen in Venli's interlude - OB I-6) and search out a Singer Host, occupy the Gemheart and eject the soul there to take the body. 

• Repeat until the desolation ends when the heralds... decide that it's been enough fighting? (I'm also not entirely clear how it's decided when a herald's death means it's "permanent" until the next desolation and when it's "instant" rebirth)

  • When the firt Herald Dies, the Fused stopped being reborn, When the war is over, the remaining Heralds that survived volunarily returned to Braize to end the Desolation - otherwise, the return would just start anew. 

WoB:
 

Spoiler

luke.spence (paraphrased)

What caused a Desolation to end? Was it just the defeat of Odium's forces? Because the Desolations start when the Heralds break under torture.

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Because the Heralds can no longer be in existence. There is a certain period of time that they can be there, and after that, if they're there, they will start a new one. So the Heralds do need to leave for a Desolation to end

darkanimereal1 (paraphrased)

Oh. So they've got a time limit.

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

They do. Otherwise the Desolation will start again. What they discovered is not all of them have to. As long as one remains, the Desolation will not start again.

luke.spence (paraphrased)

So, by the nine leaving, did that actually break the Oathpact for them? Did it change the cycle of Desolations?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

They have not completely broken the Oathpact, despite what they may think.

Words of Radiance Dayton signing (March 19, 2014)

 

Edited January 2, 2025 by Treamayne
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