Jezrien's Blade

[Through The Living Grub He/Him]

So we know that Moash has it, it has been "corrupted" to Odium maybe? Was it taken up when Retribution was formed? This might be important for the future.

[+robardin he/him]

I would assume that it has not been "corrupted", and that Vyre can still use it just like he used it before the power of Honor merged with that of Odium, except powered with Warlight.

Now you would think it represents an imbalance in the power of Honor, being as it's still a measurable piece of Honor's investiture in Blade form, and now there are eleven of them with Kaladin's Honorspear being formed from the same power...

Unless you mean, maybe it remote-dissolved Jezrien's Honorblade in forming Kaladin's Honorspear of the Windrunners? That would be interesting. Eventually we will find out, either through WoB, SA6 in ten years, a novella that takes place in between, or some offhand remark in another Cosmere work referencing events on Roshar.

[+Child of Hodor]

16 minutes ago, robardin said:

I would assume that it has not been "corrupted", and that Vyre can still use it just like he used it before the power of Honor merged with that of Odium, except powered with Warlight.

It depends how much you trust Nale. 

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"The Windrunner Honorblade has been corrupted," Nale called from ahead. ... "Our king, Jezrien, was killed by the Windrunner traitor, Vyre. Odium took his Honorblade unto himself in that moment, corrupting it." WaT Ch. 72

I take what he saying as true, but I can't tell you what corrupted means mechanically. 

[+robardin he/him]

6 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

It depends how much you trust Nale. 

I take what he saying as true, but I can't tell you what corrupted means mechanically. 

Interesting. I mean, it's clear in RoW (after he'd killed Jezrien) that Vyre was bonded to it, was able to access Windrunner Lashings thereby, and needed Stormlight to heal (but for his eyes) after falling from the sky outside Urithiru. So mechanically it still functioned the same even before Honor merged into Retribution.

But it does raise another question in my mind now: what was Ishar's original plan, even as Crazy Ishar, with Szeth? It seems like he was grooming him to be worthy of taking Jezrien's place in a renewed Oathpact of SOME sort, even if it would have been a weird, possibly impossible one.

But he'd been working on Szeth for years before engineering him to be sent out as Truthless with that Honorblade, which in turn was years before he ended up being "bought" by the Parshendi and used to kill Gavilar, etc., etc... ... Did Ishar foresee Jezrien's murder in the wake of another Desolation??? (Being why he sent Szeth out with Jezrien's Honorblade?)

[+Child of Hodor]

43 minutes ago, robardin said:

Interesting. I mean, it's clear in RoW (after he'd killed Jezrien) that Vyre was bonded to it, was able to access Windrunner Lashings thereby, and needed Stormlight to heal (but for his eyes) after falling from the sky outside Urithiru. So mechanically it still functioned the same even before Honor merged into Retribution.

But it does raise another question in my mind now: what was Ishar's original plan, even as Crazy Ishar, with Szeth? It seems like he was grooming him to be worthy of taking Jezrien's place in a renewed Oathpact of SOME sort, even if it would have been a weird, possibly impossible one.

But he'd been working on Szeth for years before engineering him to be sent out as Truthless with that Honorblade, which in turn was years before he ended up being "bought" by the Parshendi and used to kill Gavilar, etc., etc... ... Did Ishar foresee Jezrien's murder in the wake of another Desolation??? (Being why he sent Szeth out with Jezrien's Honorblade?)

It might ultimately be a bit of a hand wave to justify Kaladin getting a brand new honorspear instead of getting a sword which he has no experience fighting with.