teknopathetic he/him Posted December 12, 2024 Posted December 12, 2024 (edited) Hoid says that no one predicted this outcome as it was the tiniest of chances. But is he dead wrong? The Wind seems to have foreseen this in her own way and set up the entire Shinovar plot. Renarin was able to see this in his stained-glass window pictures pretty much exactly. The Nightforms predicted the Night of Sorrows and the Final Desolation thousands of years ago. Cultivation may have had this in mind as well seeing as she didnt like the oaths, didn't care about Rayse, and didn't want to be on Roshar in the first place Potentially the Iriali protector was able to sense the cataclysm coming (sensing more than just the 1000 year truce) Unclear if the "owners" returning was enough to cause it. However, Iri had an oathgate, so does that make sense? Sure, Hoid didn't see this and neither did Honour or Odium, but it certainly seems like at least 2 or 3 other people were working on this as a stark possibility. Possibly, only powers connected to the Old Gods predicted this though. Maybe the Wind and The Night were able to sense this future is some way, and perhaps Renarin and the Night Forms get their visions from the Old Magic somehow. But still, Roshar did see this coming for a long time. --- I know the point about Cultivation having planned this will be debated, but to me I think after she broke up with her boyfriend for betraying Ba-Ado-Mishram, the plan was to pack her bags and move out of Roshar once the other shards could start picking up the slack. She managed to get out looking defeated so others wont rely on her, slow the planet down to buy time, save honour humans for 1000 years, protect the spren with the old oathpact, redeem the heralds, weaken Taravangian by forcing him to create the Spirit Realm family, redeem her ex boyfriend, and go find a new home. Edited December 12, 2024 by teknopathetic 3
Etedbert he/him Posted December 12, 2024 Posted December 12, 2024 To be fair, Hoid makes a point of reminding Dalinar towards the end of the book, he’s not omniscient. He has no way of knowing that the wind was making vague plans in case something happened. Renarin’s clearest vision of it was not long before he got pulled into the SR, and he didn’t talk to Hoid before that occurred. Nightforms as well as Death Rattles predicted it, but everyone thought those visions were already fulfilled with the appearance of the Everstorm. It was only after Retribution’s rise that we realize what the true Desolation and night of sorrows really meant. I really think Cultivation’s plan after realizing TOdium was still going all in on war, was to have Dalinar ascend as Honor and fight Odium. It would be the fastest way to end the cycle Roshar is stuck in, and let her leave or let her kill whoever remains from that duel, becoming Roshar’s sole god. I really thinkThe rise of Retribution certainly was not on her bucket list. Furthermore, even is she HAD seen it, she famously dislikes Hoid and definitely wouldn’t share her plans with him. The Iriali protector probably didn’t foresee exactly this happening, but I think it probably did foresee that the realmic travel issues would be ending soon. How it knows this, I have no clue. Probably something connected to why the Iriali are all wiggly woggly investiture people. TLDR; Hoid says no one foresaw this because he/his partners didn’t foresee this, and he never talked to the people who did.
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