Mattel Posted November 8, 2024 Posted November 8, 2024 (edited) Spoiler So there are three different "high spren," (those who create bondsmiths when they bond) and they are each children of the two original Shards on Roshar: Honor made the Stormfather, Cultivation created the Nightwatcher, and together they formed the sibling. It makes complete sense that those two original shards have their own "Children." So. Does this mean that the Unmade are Odium trying to create his own children? I think this idea fits very well for a number of reasons. Odium is not the ruler of his own people anymore, he is the ruler of the Singers. He is an outcast in most regards. At one point Odium is described as being lonely. So I think he made the unmade to be his children of Roshar, beings that are a version of him given life. Although Odium has never treated any of the Unmade well, like with Sja-Anat. If this is the case (which I think that it is) that would mean the Odium is rather self conscious and insecure. He didn't get the opportunity to create a being of his own, and so created nine, three times as many as the three made by the other two shards. This would also explain his determination to have Dalinar for his own. He desires so strongly for Dalinar to be his, to be the figurehead of his army, his champion. Now I'm going to speculate here a little bit: what if later down the road, Odium finally creates a "child" of his own? Am I off my rocker or am I onto something here? So this post contains a lot of spoilers of stuff that happens towards the back end of the Storm light Archive books. If you have not read all four books, please do not open. Edited November 8, 2024 by Mattel
Treamayne Posted November 9, 2024 Posted November 9, 2024 2 hours ago, Mattel said: Spoiler Roshar: Honor made the Stormfather Please be aware that this is not correct. Spoiler Stormfather predates the Shattering. He was changed by the arrival of Honor, and changed again when Tanavast died and merged his Cognitive SHadow with the Stormfather - but Honor did not originally make him, Adonalsium did. Quote Snote85 Have the Highstorms always existed on Roshar? The excerpt that talks about how one of the Bondsmiths had resigned himself to fight the Voidbringers but woke up and had a new idea, one that had to do with the nature of the Heralds themselves. Then, inside the Oathgate, we see "mythical creatures" like lions and such. It would make sense that the world might have been different when the KR were last around. So much so, that if the Highstorms "Opposite" is the Everstorm and it was made by followers of Odium, then the Highstorm would have been made by followers of Honor. Brandon Sanderson Highstorms did predate the arrival of Honor and Cultivation on Roshar, but it has evolved much during the thousands of years since that event. It was not created by followers of Honor, but there is more to this story that you'll find out as the series progresses. General Reddit 2017 (Feb. 10, 2017) 2 hours ago, Mattel said: Spoiler Does this mean that the Unmade are Odium trying to create his own children? No. Spoiler The various beings that became the unmade were existing entities that Odium corrupted, because it was a way to influence Roshar without investing himself in the system. (Just as you see Raboniel attempting to Unmake the Sibling). Unmade are splinters, but more like a Returned (Divine Breath is a splinter attached to the Cognitive Shadow of the dead, resulting in the Returned) Quote Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) 1) The Nightwatcher and Stormfather are parallel entities such that Nighwatcher:Cultivation :: Stormfather:Honor. 2) There is sort of a parallel for Odium, but the parallel is the various Unmade instead of a single entity. 3) They are parallel in that they are all Splinters. 4) The Unmade are voluntary Splinters, because Odium ("like almost all of the other Shards") voluntarily Splintered part of it's power. 5) The Stormfather is different from the others because it's a Sliver. JordanCon 2016 (April 23, 2016) Quote asmodeus (paraphrased) Would the Unmade correspond to the various Knight Radiant Orders by philosophy? Would Odium's champion be his equivalent to the Bondsmiths? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No, the varieties of the Fused do that. It's not 1-to-1, but think of the Unmade as the analogs of Heralds. Odium has no Bondsmith Analog. Footnote: Brandon specifically used the spelling "analog." The capitalization is also replicated. General Reddit 2019 (Jan. 1, 2019) Quote Questioner For one of the Unmade to be classified as Odium’s Unmade, must it have been made by another Shard or Investiture first before it became Unmade? Brandon Sanderson Excellent question. RAFO. We’re gonna delve into the Unmade quite a bit in coming books, so I’m RAFOing right now. Dragonsteel 2022 (Nov. 14, 2022) Quote Red the Windrunner (paraphrased) We have now seen Midnight Essence on Lumar and as part of the Unmade on Roshar, should we assume that all the other Unmade have connections to Odium’s other conquests like maybe Sja-anat and Ambition? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Midnight Essence is more like Lightweaving in that multiple magic systems will reach the same conclusion. When something is done to the magic to corrupt it, it becomes like Midnight Essence. So while there are similarities between the two and they work the same they may not have the same point of origin. Red the Windrunner (paraphrased) So there is no meaningful connection between Sja-anat and Ambition? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You weren’t going to let me off the hook. You are theorizing in a very interesting direction. RAFO! Tampa Bay Comic Convention 2023 (July 28, 2023) Hope that helps 2
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