A Method for the Creation of Unsealed Metalminds Without the Use of Excisors or Fullborns

[OoklaApologist She/her]

1. A aluminum ferring stores their identity in a metalmind

 

2. A Nicrosil compounder compounds Nicrosil, creating dozens of Nicrosilminds  full of Nicrosil Feruchemy while tapping the duralumin ferring’s Identity, so these metalminds are now keyed to the aluminum ferring.

3. The compounder also uses the same method to store Nicrosil Allomancy

4. The aluminum ferring then taps the Nicrosil compounder’s metalminds, then immediately re-stores both the Allomancy and Feruchemy while storing Identity, creating Unkeyed Nicrosilminds. I imagine you could also do this with copper, removing the memories of your coppermind, then immediately restoring them to create an unkeyed version

5. Those Nicrosilminds are given to another Ferring or Misting, along with the Aluminumind created when unkeying them.

6. That Ferring/Misting compounds Nicrosil in a similar way to step 2, creating Nicrosilminds 

7. The aluminum ferring, preferably while also completing step 4, utilizes Nicrosil and duralumin feruchemy to create unkeyed versions of the metalminds created in step 6

 

This method is logistically challenging, requires a lot of Nicrosil to be burnt, and is pretty inefficient. I think that in all these steps there would be a major loss of potency, but this is a definite way to create unkeyed metalminds with metallic arts as we see them in era 2, and without excisors.
 

We may be able to use soulstamps to create Nicrosil compounders from twinborns as mentioned below.

What do you guys think? Is this possible? Or am I misunderstanding something?

Edit: Changed Duralumin to Aluminum

Edited June 23, 2024 by KelsierApologist
Changed Duralumin to Aluminum

[Trusk'our he/him]

2 hours ago, KelsierApologist said:

1. A duralumin ferring stores their identity in a metalmind

 

2. A Nicrosil compounder compounds Nicrosil, creating dozens of Nicrosilminds  full of Nicrosil Feruchemy while tapping the duralumin ferring’s Identity, so these metalminds are now keyed to the duralumin ferring.

3. The compounder also uses the same method to store Nicrosil Allomancy

4. The duralumin ferring then taps the Nicrosil compounder’s metalminds, then immediately re-stores both the Allomancy and Feruchemy while storing Identity, creating Unkeyed Nicrosilminds. I imagine you could also do this with copper, removing the memories of your coppermind, then immediately restoring them to create an unkeyed version

5. Those Nicrosilminds are given to another Ferring or Misting, along with the Duraluminmind created when unkeying them.

6. That Ferring/Misting compounds Nicrosil in a similar way to step 2, creating Nicrosilminds A Nicrosil compounder compounds Nicrosil, creating dozens of Nicrosilminds  full of Nicrosil Feruchemy while tapping the duralumin ferring’s Identity, so these metalminds are now keyed to the duralumin ferring.

7. The duralumin ferring, preferably while also completing step 4, utilizes Nicrosil and duralumin feruchemy to create unkeyed versions of the metalminds created in step 6

 

This method is logistically challenging, requires a lot of Nicrosil to be burnt, and is pretty inefficient. I think that in all these steps there would be a major loss of potency, but this is a definite way to create unkeyed metalminds with metallic arts as we see them in era 2, and without excisors.
 

We may be able to use soulstamps to create Nicrosil compounders from twinborns as mentioned below.

What do you guys think? Is this possible? Or am I misunderstanding something?

So, I think that there may be a potential issue with this idea.

I don't think an aluminum Ferring could Blank the Nicrosil Compounder's Metalminds, because they're already Keyed to another person. 

Still, great thought. Welcome to the Shard!

[OoklaApologist She/her]

52 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

So, I think that there may be a potential issue with this idea.

I don't think an aluminum Ferring could Blank the Nicrosil Compounder's Metalminds, because they're already Keyed to another person. 

Still, great thought. Welcome to the Shard!

So, correct me if I’m wrong, but this below WOB states that Nicrosil stores a discrete invested art. I envision this process of unkeying Nicrosilminds to be like taking a memory out of a coppermind, blanking your identity, then restoring it into another coppermind. Do you think that could be possible?

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/316/#e11247

 

[Trusk'our he/him]

3 minutes ago, KelsierApologist said:

So, correct me if I’m wrong, but this below WOB states that Nicrosil stores a discrete invested art. I envision this process of unkeying Nicrosilminds to be like taking a memory out of a coppermind, blanking your identity, then restoring it into another coppermind. Do you think that could be possible?

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/316/#e11247

 

The general consensus on this WoB was that they are talking about the Malwish medallion Unsealed Metalminds specifically. 

After all, the Bands of Mourning didn't work that way; their Nicrosil portion was tapped just like any other Metalmind, and that's why they depleted so quickly. 

The Malwish medallions seem to function more like the Honorblades, where instead of Tapping you actually Bond them to access their power. Hence the reason they may not deplete their Nicrosil Stores. 

Spoiler

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/331-orem-signing/#e9408

Questioner

Do Honorblades bestow their abilities similar to an Identity-free nicrosilmind with other Metalborn abilities?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah, these are working on similar principles. Same principle, divergent applications by the magic system, but yeah, I would say, they come back to the same principles.

As for the original question of Tapping another's Metalmind and then Blanking Identity while Storing again, maybe, but a lot of attributes are going to probably not work for this.

For example, let's say you Hemalurgically steal another's Feruchemical power along with a portion of their Identity. You can now Tap their Metalminds, but only while you have their Identity spiked into you, which means you can't Blank your Identity to re-Store those attributes because as soon as you do you can no longer Tap those Metalminds. 

Memories probably would be the one exception, since you can Tap them once, then Blank your Identity and re-Store them since Tapping isn't a continuous process for Feruchemical copper. Maybe F-Bendalloy, Cadmium, and brass could work too, since those seem to be more of "Tap it and the attributes become an actual part of you" thing.

This is my current takeaway, at least.

[The Stick]

Doesn't Duralumin store determination, not identity?

[Trusk'our he/him]

29 minutes ago, The Stick said:

Doesn't Duralumin store determination, not identity?

Electrum Stores determination, duralumin Stores Connection, and aluminum Stores Identity. 

[OoklaApologist She/her]

30 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Electrum Stores determination, duralumin Stores Connection, and aluminum Stores Identity. 

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