oGGe Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 First off, English isn't my native language. I'm trying to figure out what Odium is. I never heard the word before reading this book. Does it mean plain Hate or is it another aspect of that word? and is there a Love shard?
Aeshdan he/him Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 First off, English isn't my native language. I'm trying to figure out what Odium is. I never heard the word before reading this book. Does it mean plain Hate or is it another aspect of that word? and is there a Love shard? Definition of Odium: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/odium?s=t And yes, there is a Love shard, Aona's. Its technical Intent is Devotion.
Thorontir he/him Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 As a side note, "hate" in spanish is "Odio"... that cames from latin word "Odium", so with this name, we had a little advantage understanding the meaning of the Shard
Odium's_Shard Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 "Odium" is a state of being loathed, loathing other things, or darkly broody. In a word, unlike Ruin, it isn't the sort of Hate that would, if it didn't get its own way, that would set fire to your house and laugh, its the sort that would sit in the corner for five years muttering to itself before staging an accident in which your entire family is killed while riding a carriage next to a steep cliff and you are mysteriously assassinated in your sleep, and then, due to years of ruthless planning, come away clean. Its that bad. 1
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 Like the word "odious". It can also mean having to bear the hatred others feel for you. Just food for thought.
Odium's_Shard Posted May 22, 2012 Posted May 22, 2012 It almost feels as though Brandon will pull the entire 'sympathy deserving villain' plot device, as if Odium has been shunned down and then when the characters stop him the audience almost feels bad because he was actually the worst off and his plot for world domination was just a desperate grab for attention from the entire Cosmere, due to his hideous looks and bad people skills meaning that he has never even seen such a thing a Love, nor Devotion, which was why Aona and Skai were first on his 'hit-list' of retribution. 1
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Or maybe Odium is just a douchebag. Who knows? 1
oGGe Posted May 23, 2012 Author Posted May 23, 2012 Is Odium the face Kaladin sees in the Highstorm btw?
Odium's_Shard Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 We don't know. We think it might be (I personally have no opinion, this is just a list of ideas that I have seen presented on this board): Tanavast Honor (the Shard, not the holder) Odium (Rasye or the Shard) One of the Heralds
Odium's_Shard Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 Why, simply because he is the leader of the 'Windrunners'? You think that these people who used to appear to 'ride the storms' were Order One Radiants? It's a sound theory, but time might tell.
Windrunner he/him Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 Well that is one good reason. I think it might be mentioned in TWoK that Jezrien is the Stormfather. Which is pretty good evidence assuming its true. I'm at the point right now when I'm having trouble distinguishing theory from fact for that book so I really need to reread it. (Having the hardcover means I can't take it to school). So if I'm totally wrong about this, my apologies.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted May 26, 2012 Posted May 26, 2012 I believe that's an interview confirmation, or not confirmed... But then again, I haven't read the book for almost 10 months now.
CabbageHead he/him Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 Like the word "odious". It can also mean having to bear the hatred others feel for you. Just food for thought. Which begs the question... Is Odium the Shard of Hate, or just the hated Shard?
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 Which begs the question... Is Odium the Shard of Hate, or just the hated Shard? Or rather: which is cause, which is effect? I do believe that the Shard Odium represents pure force of Hate. The other meaning might be clever commentary by BS on Rayse's nature, though.
name_here Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) Odium is derived from the Latin verb meaning "to hate." It's probably what the Shard exemplfies by the naming convention. If Preservation and Ruin are any guide, Rayse is probably insufficently human to have any possibility of turning out to not be a villain, unless what he hates is the real villain. Edited June 1, 2012 by name_here
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 He did have a character before he took up the Shard, though...
CrazyRioter she/her Posted June 1, 2012 Posted June 1, 2012 I'm pretty sure he hates like, everything, the way Ruin wanted to destroy everything.
Sunblesser Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 He did have a character before he took up the Shard, though... but from the description of it in the letter, he was well matched to the aspect of odium already.
Commander Spoonface he/him Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) but from the description of it in the letter, he was well matched to the aspect of odium already. If Rayse was human, or at least had a human-like character, I doubt he was as all-hate, all-the-time as Odium. There are always reasons that despicable people are despicable. Anyway, it probably ain't so. But maybe... Edited June 26, 2012 by Commander Spoonface
Djando Je he/him Posted June 25, 2012 Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) First off, Jezrien is the Stormfather, I remember it begin said at least twice in the book, though I have no idea where. Also, from the letter in part 2, page 275, chapter 18: "Ati was once a kind and generous man, and you saw what became of him. Rayse, on the other hand, was among the most loathsome, crafty and dangerous individuals I have ever met." So in other words, even if he wasn't all hate all the time, he was pretty dang close Edited June 25, 2012 by Djando Je
Recommended Posts