Copper: Internal Pulling metal

[Truthwatcher Ferring]

So I'm not sure if someone has had this theory before but here goes.

I was reading "The Nature of Copper" and I came across this:

 

"Bronze is a pushing metal, sure, so it allows you to sense what you would not have been able to otherwise. But wait, when you think about it, how is that really pushing anything? So I propose that all humans have some innate ability to sense investiture and bronze pushes that to a point of being actually useful and noticeable."

-lord Claincy Ffnord

 

I think this makes sense so I started thinking about how individuals with hemalurgic spikes have "open minds" that are easier to influence and control. This seems to indicate that people have innate mental defenses that can protect them from allomancy (and other types of mental control like Ruin's). So I was thinking that Copper (an internal pulling metal) might pull those defenses up making their pulses harder to "hear" with bronze as well as defending against emotional pushes and pulls. 

 

Problem: Copper is an internal metal and this would involve also pulling on the defenses of those around you.

Proposed Solution: Copper already influences something outside the allomancer. It protects allomancers in a cloud around the smoker (If it didn't it would be much less useful. I guess it would still protect the user from emotional allomancy though). I have no idea how this works because it's an internal metal but it does.

 

Side Note: If people have internal mental defenses that protect them, could you steal this with a hemalurgic spike and spike yourself to protect yourself from outside control. This could negate that weakness in hemalurgy (being controlled by emotional allomancy), although since getting another spike would itself make you easier to control it might take a lot of spikes, do nothing, or actually be harmful.

 

-Also, since burning copper defends against all but the most powerful emotional allomancers, could you protect your mind from being taken over by burning it (if you were hemalurgiclly spiked and needed that protection)?

 

Feel free to destroy my argument with logic or WoB.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Truthwatcher Ferring

[Voidus]

 

So I'm not sure if someone has had this theory before but here goes.

I was reading 

Bronze is a pushing metal, sure, so it allows you to sense what you would not have been able to otherwise. But wait, when you think about it, how is that really pushing anything? So I propose that all humans have some innate ability to sense investiture and bronze pushes that to a point of being actually useful and noticeable.

I view it as pushing against the pulses of investiture and then feeling the pushback as the pulses.

[Truthwatcher Ferring]

Ok I edited my first post (I made a mistake with the formatting)

[Voidus]

Side Note: If people have internal mental defenses that protect them, could you steal this with a hemalurgic spike and spike yourself to protect yourself from outside control. This could negate that weakness in hemalurgy (being controlled by emotional allomancy), although since getting another spike would itself make you easier to control it might take a lot of spikes, do nothing, or actually be harmful.

 

I believe one of the Kandra blessings does this

[Windrunner]

That would be the Blessing of Presence. It's how TenSoon managed to, just a little, resist Ruin's grasp. And funnily enough, it's a copper spike.

[Truthwatcher Ferring]

Sweet! 

Does it say in the book that this is how he resists ruin? I can't remember.

[Windrunner]

It's from a very old Q&A.

DALENTHAS (15 OCTOBER 2008)
Was TenSoon more susceptible to Ruin's powers than the other Kandra because he took OreSeur's Blessings?

BRANDON SANDERSON (16 OCTOBER 2008)
Yes, he was. However, the Blessing of Presence actually enhanced his mind to make him more resistant, so they balanced out.

Source

[Moogle]

-Also, since burning copper defends against all but the most powerful emotional allomancers, could you protect your mind from being taken over by burning it (if you were hemalurgiclly spiked and needed that protection)?

 

I don't think we've ever had a situation where we found out if TLR could bypass a Coppercloud and still influence emotions. Vin had problems only because she had a Hemalurgic spike, and Kelsier was fine when burning copper if I recall correctly.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Moogle

[Oudeis]

Do we know that Vin felt it because of the spike, or is that a fan theory?

 

Vin says that she feels it, but it's greatly lessened when she puts up her coppercloud. Kelsier says that she's not feeling it, she only thinks she is because she feels like she should be feeling it. My impression was always, "Kelsier DOES feel the Soothing, but it's much weaker. Weak enough that he convinces himself he doesn't feel it, and that helps him reassert his own emotional state." Like the song from The King and I. "The results of this deception are very strange to tell, for when I fool the people I fear, I fool myself as well." Mental fortitude and what Granny Weatherwax would refer to as "headology" have always been the best defenses against emotional allomancy.

 

Sidenote: Odd. Thank you, Windrunner. I didn't know that WoB. I can't recall why I thought this, but I always imagined the Blessing of Stability was the one that protected you from control, possibly because it deals with emotions, which is what emotional allomancy affects. I believe this is the mechanic from the MAG but I certainly hope I didn't base my supposition on that...

[the winter system]

So I'm not sure if someone has had this theory before but here goes.

I was reading "The Nature of Copper" and I came across this:

 

"Bronze is a pushing metal, sure, so it allows you to sense what you would not have been able to otherwise. But wait, when you think about it, how is that really pushing anything? So I propose that all humans have some innate ability to sense investiture and bronze pushes that to a point of being actually useful and noticeable."

-lord Claincy Ffnord

 

I think this makes sense so I started thinking about how individuals with hemalurgic spikes have "open minds" that are easier to influence and control. This seems to indicate that people have innate mental defenses that can protect them from allomancy (and other types of mental control like Ruin's). So I was thinking that Copper (an internal pulling metal) might pull those defenses up making their pulses harder to "hear" with bronze as well as defending against emotional pushes and pulls. 

 

Problem: Copper is an internal metal and this would involve also pulling on the defenses of those around you.

Proposed Solution: Copper already influences something outside the allomancer. It protects allomancers in a cloud around the smoker (If it didn't it would be much less useful. I guess it would still protect the user from emotional allomancy though). I have no idea how this works because it's an internal metal but it does.

 

Side Note: If people have internal mental defenses that protect them, could you steal this with a hemalurgic spike and spike yourself to protect yourself from outside control. This could negate that weakness in hemalurgy (being controlled by emotional allomancy), although since getting another spike would itself make you easier to control it might take a lot of spikes, do nothing, or actually be harmful.

 

-Also, since burning copper defends against all but the most powerful emotional allomancers, could you protect your mind from being taken over by burning it (if you were hemalurgiclly spiked and needed that protection)?

 

Feel free to destroy my argument with logic or WoB.

"The Nature of Copper"? What's that?

[Truthwatcher Ferring]

It's a theory on how copper works here on the 17th shard:

 

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4433-the-nature-of-copper/?hl=%2Bthe+%2Bnature+%2Bcopper

[the winter system]

It's a theory on how copper works here on the 17th shard:

 

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4433-the-nature-of-copper/?hl=%2Bthe+%2Bnature+%2Bcopper

Okay, thanks. Is there any others, like The Nature of Iron?

[Moogle]

Okay, thanks. Is there any others, like The Nature of Iron?

 

I don't think anyone's put anything together into a full formal post, but someone put forth a theory that the lines people burning steel/iron see are Spiritual connections at one point, and some people have put forward threads on how the forces involved in steel/iron work.

 

Most of the metals are straightforward, so there's not much to talk about in regards to their function.