Chibard he/him Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 Hey guys, I've been trying to do some research in the Surgebinders and this is the only chart I've been able to find. If anyone could confirm if this is up to date and correct, I would really appreciate it.
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 There is a more complete one than that. I'll try to hunt it up for you. The 2 middle ones are Bondsmith (top), Truthwatcher (bottom). The purple on the left top is Willshapers. Some of the surge names have changed as well. Someone else might beat me to it, but I'll look tomorrow for the completed chart. 1
WeiryWriter he/him Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Here's one: (source) Edited August 3, 2014 by WeiryWriter added source attribution 1
Guest Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 I have a question on this chart... I know the two small lines link each order to its two surges. There are also two larger lines that link each order to the orders which whom it shares one surge. All also seem to have one large line that connects to the middle. Now the question is, why are there orders that have a fourth large line? Edgedancers/Windrunners and Lightweavers/Stonewards are linked with such line. Any idea what it means?
WeiryWriter he/him Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 I have a question on this chart... I know the two small lines link each order to its two surges. There are also two larger lines that link each order to the orders which whom it shares one surge. All also seem to have one large line that connects to the middle. Now the question is, why are there orders that have a fourth large line? Edgedancers/Windrunners and Lightweavers/Stonewards are linked with such line. Any idea what it means? We have absolutely no clue.
Chibard he/him Posted August 3, 2014 Author Posted August 3, 2014 Wow, I've never noticed that before. That is definitely a thinker.
kari-no-sugata Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 I wonder if the lines connecting the Orders means the same thing in all cases? In which case it would seem to imply some kind of "compatibility" - naturally adjacent orders are "compatible".... but what about the distant orders? If we consider the adjacent connections to be lines "one" and "two" then the "third" would be to what seems like the opposite order. So what does this "compatibility" actually mean in practice? Some special way the different Orders can combine their abilities to produce effects that are not possible otherwise? If so I think it would have to be something pretty concrete (ie specific and reliable). It's also possible it could be something related to fabrials or gems. Ponder...
WeiryWriter he/him Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 Perhaps the line between the Windrunners and the Lightweavers has to do with the fact their patron Heralds are father (Jezrien) and daughter (Shalash)?
Guest Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 Perhaps the line between the Windrunners and the Lightweavers has to do with the fact their patron Heralds are father (Jezrien) and daughter (Shalash)? Alright, but why are the Dustbringers associated with the Willshapers, the Edgedancers with the Stonewards, the Skybreakers with the Elsecallers and the Bondsmiths with the Truthwatchers?
kari-no-sugata Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Perhaps the line between the Windrunners and the Lightweavers has to do with the fact their patron Heralds are father (Jezrien) and daughter (Shalash)? So it's more of a genealogy? Kinda funny since just before I was reading this I was wondering if there was any relationship between Radiant Orders/Ideals/Virtues/etc and the Greek gods and I was looking at some of the family charts of the Greek gods. (No relationship found) I agree with Maxal though that the "odd" bonds are the ones between Edgedancers/Windrunners and Lightweavers/Stonewards - the other non-adjacent links (eg the Windrunner/Lightweaver one) are what appear to be the natural opposites of each Order. It would be rather surprising if all the Heralds were related to each other. But actually... it's a good idea: we shouldn't necessarily see this as a "Radiant chart" - it could also be a "Herald chart"... Edit Another possibility: maybe these extra lines indicate something related to the spren for each Radiant order? Edited August 4, 2014 by kari-no-sugata
Paragrin she/her Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Perhaps the line between the Windrunners and the Lightweavers has to do with the fact their patron Heralds are father (Jezrien) and daughter (Shalash)? Well, that's the same number line that connects Bondsmiths and Truthwatchers, and the two present-day members of those orders are parent and child...
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